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09-29-2010, 08:18 PM   #406
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Hi, I'm late to the party.

I just noticed the price of the k5 on BH, then I checked the d7000 of nikon.

it's 1599 (k5) vs 1199(d7000)

I'm not saying that k5 is not worth that kinda of money. But from a consumer view, Why would I pay 400$ more for a k5?

I thought pentax would be smarter for the price. If they want to be competitive they have to better price or a least the same price.

I think I gonna sell all my pentax gear and buy a d7000

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QuoteOriginally posted by fanfaron Quote
Hi, I'm late to the party.

I just noticed the price of the k5 on BH, then I checked the d7000 of nikon.

it's 1599 (k5) vs 1199(d7000)

I'm not saying that k5 is not worth that kinda of money. But from a consumer view, Why would I pay 400$ more for a k5?

I thought pentax would be smarter for the price. If they want to be competitive they have to better price or a least the same price.

I think I gonna sell all my pentax gear and buy a d7000
To quote Strother Martin, "What we have hear, is, a, failure, to, communicate." BH hasn't sold the first K-5 at that price, yet. Its currently pre-order. That's the announced MSRP. Who knows what supply and demand is going to do though.

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QuoteOriginally posted by fanfaron Quote
Hi, I'm late to the party.

I just noticed the price of the k5 on BH, then I checked the d7000 of nikon.

it's 1599 (k5) vs 1199(d7000)

I'm not saying that k5 is not worth that kinda of money. But from a consumer view, Why would I pay 400$ more for a k5?

I thought pentax would be smarter for the price. If they want to be competitive they have to better price or a least the same price.

I think I gonna sell all my pentax gear and buy a d7000
Please. Check B&H again. Then you'll see that you can't just buy a D7000 yet, it's just available for pre-order. So why the hurry? In addition, you'll see that B&H does not accept pre-orders for the K-5 yet, presumably because they don't know the price at this time.

(But Pentax USA should set the price soon, before all these nervous customers end up selling all their Pentax gear before they even know the price of the K-5)
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presumably because they don't know the price at this time.
I wish the price the price will be lower . Just wait patiently.

It's not like I don't have any camera to take picture.

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QuoteOriginally posted by fanfaron Quote
I think I gonna sell all my pentax gear and buy a d7000
If the Pentax is not cheaper than the D7000 then I can understand new buyers going for the Nikon, with all the system advantages that brand offers. But I cannot comprehend why a cheaper (though similar spec) body from a competitor would convince someone to switch systems entirely.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rparmar Quote
I agree, Falk. An APS-C camera for $1500 makes no sense when full-frame is $2000. I sure know which I'd save for, and I am not one of those FF whiners.
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And what does Pentax offer besides the 645 in full frame for less than $9,999?
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QuoteOriginally posted by fanfaron Quote
Hi, I'm late to the party.

I just noticed the price of the k5 on BH, then I checked the d7000 of nikon.

it's 1599 (k5) vs 1199(d7000)

I'm not saying that k5 is not worth that kinda of money. But from a consumer view, Why would I pay 400$ more for a k5?

I thought pentax would be smarter for the price. If they want to be competitive they have to better price or a least the same price.

I think I gonna sell all my pentax gear and buy a d7000
why would you sell all your gear just for a quick $400 discount?

this kinda borders on the uninformed, rash, and irrational.

go ahead
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rite Quote
And what does Pentax offer besides the 645 in full frame for less than $9,999?
I think you missed my point completely. If you'd be more explicit about your own point of view I could respond.

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Just got some new info from my contact. Based on that info, I'm going to hazard an educated guess of a ~$1299 US street price for the K-5 body, and ~$1429 for the 18-55 WR kit. Could be a little lower or a little higher.
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Also, using the same logic I'm going to guess that the 35/2.4 DA-L lens will be ~$140-150 US street price, but that one's a bigger shot in the dark. Anyway, it should be less than $200, easily.
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QuoteOriginally posted by deadwolfbones Quote
Just got some new info from my contact. Based on that info, I'm going to hazard an educated guess of a ~$1299 US street price for the K-5 body, and ~$1429 for the 18-55 WR kit. Could be a little lower or a little higher.
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That would still be $100 MORE than the Nikon D7000.

Apparently Pentax/Hoya has no clue that the United States is going through the worst economic times since the Great Depression.
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Current economic US situation

QuoteOriginally posted by Rite Quote
Apparently Pentax/Hoya has no clue that the United States is going through the worst economic times since the Great Depression.
I am always curious ... So, I checked that statement with official NIPA data and made my own chart (appended). I couldn't find any decent graph on the web Chart doesn't look too bad. Even if data doesn't include 2010-Q3 yet (not published yet).

But other than that, looks pretty much identical to the 1982 recession. 1975 looks much worse because it was never recovered ever since. Of course, there is a weak signal in the Q2 data (and probably Q3 data too). But I am still rather optimistic that the recession will end and not restart. The "white" (10 year growth) curve has no room to fall any further

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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
I couldn't find any decent graph on the web Chart doesn't look too bad. Even if data doesn't include 2010-Q3 yet (not published yet).

But I am still rather optimistic that the recession will end and not restart. The "white" (10 year growth) curve has no room to fall any further
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I have been using Pentax cameras since 1979, and would like to think it will be around for at east another thirty years.

While I personally am able to to purchase the K-r or K5, my overall concern is also for how Hoya/Pentax is positioning them in the market at large. It's not just Pentax. The new market conditions will negatively affect all consumer product purchases. Companies wanting to survive in this climate are going to have to produce better and reach deeper than in years past. The entire game has changed, and the same old rules no longer apply.

But not being in the 'Top 3' labels, and pricing the K5 MORE THAN the Top Three label product with the SAME FEATURE SETS and still expecting gainful profit in this market just doesn't make sense. I could see it if they already had the market share and had AT LEAST TWO MAJOR features in the K5 and K-r over their competition.

Reality is reality. A camera costing over $1,000 that millions could afford when the K7 was released doesn't have that luxury now.

I am not a doomsayer, but a realist (is that why I enjoy Pentax so much?). Someone at Hoya had better study the market sector and competition a lot harder if they plan on surviving in the North American market over the next twelve months.

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Even at $100 more than the D7000, Pentax could still sell a lot of K-5s if they had any kind of marketing to point out (or even "manufacture") advantages over the competition. But they don't, so they probably won't, aside from those who do a ton of research and those who already have Pentax systems.

But like I said, $1299 is just a guess based on a rough formula. No one really knows anything until the Amazon/B&H real prices hit.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rite Quote

Apparently Pentax/Hoya has no clue that the United States is going through the worst economic times since the Great Depression.
Apparently they do..... Offering it to the USA for less because of that probably wn't sell many more bodies, kills profit for petax and make it more expensive for the rest of the world.
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