Very disappointed by Photokina's lens announcement...

gazonk · 09-22-2010, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

They have a 60-250. Unlikely Pentax will cannibalize sales of one for the other. I may be proved wrong eventually (hopefully) but I do not see that now. Do other brands have a WR 55-300 or equivalent?

It doesn't make sense that they sell the K-x with 18-55 + 55-300 double kits, while the K-7 is sold with the 18-55 WR + 50-200 WR combo. The 60-250 is a very different beast, weighing more than twice as much. The 55-300 makes more sense for e.g. hiking where every kilogram counts - and where WR also counts!

**ManuH** · 09-22-2010, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

They have a 60-250. Unlikely Pentax will cannibalize sales of one for the other. I may be proved wrong eventually (hopefully) but I do not see that now. Do other brands have a WR 55-300 or equivalent?

But the 55-300 is sold in kit. It would be nice if they updated it with DC and WR. The DA* is in another category anyway by the sole fact it's an f/4 constant lens with superior optics. They are clearly not in the same category so cannibalization shouldn't occur.

Winder · 09-22-2010, 12:39 PM

I was hoping for a fast prime or two to fill the gap between 77mm & 200mm. A 135mm f/2 would have been ideal.

I will have to wait and see what Sony has in store for the A7xx replacement and the A9xx replacement. I can finally retire the 5D and move to one platform. The 85mm CZ, 135mm CZ & 24-70 CZ are perfect for what I do and being able to switch them between ASP-C and FF has a lot of advantages.

I really like the K-7 and the K-5 looks like a great little camera, but I need to go where the glass is. I was on the pre-order list for the 85mm Sigma for the K-mount. It looks like Sigma might fill in gap for Pentax, but after reading the review of the new 70-200 it does not look like Sigma has improved the quality.

emr · 09-22-2010, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Winder

I was hoping for a fast prime or two to fill the gap between 77mm & 200mm. A 135mm f/2 would have been ideal.

Is the DFA 100mm f/2.8 too far off then?

Blue · 09-22-2010, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by ManuH

But the 55-300 is sold in kit. It would be nice if they updated it with DC and WR. The DA* is in another category anyway by the sole fact it's an f/4 constant lens with superior optics. They are clearly not in the same category so cannibalization shouldn't occur.

The DA L version is part of kits but they have sold the DA 55-300mm separately since it was introduced.

Winder · 09-22-2010, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by emr

Is the DFA 100mm f/2.8 too far off then?

It is an excellent lens for what is does (macro). If it was an improved version of the SDM and an f/1.4 or even f/2 lens I would already own it (even if it was 2x the current price). But it is an excellent lens optically. Just a little slow for what I need.

Freak · 09-22-2010, 05:48 PM

I was surprised that there were not more lens announced... 1x Zoom & 1x Prime, both at the cheap end of the market.

Pentax need some wides angles badly, The Tokina 11-16mm should of been announced. A nice f/1.2 of any length would of been nice... (Arrrr Dreams!)

Mohawk · 09-22-2010, 06:19 PM

DA* 11-16/2.8. NOW.

I bought the 12-24/4 as a stop gap, but found I need to go a bit wider and f2.8 for what I do.

Actually, the 12-24 is a disappointment - the focus ring is not terribly smooth and it has one less aperture blade than the Tokina. And it's length varies by 5mm, unlike the Tokina, which is better built and stays constant.

Not a good lens, mechanically, but the IQ is passable. I might get rid of it and get the Siggy 10-20/3.5, or alternatively buy a used Nikon D90 to use the Tokina 11-16.

I guess I'm just venting, but the Pentax lens availability and lack of roadmap is getting rather frustrating. This lens situation is not acceptable.

pcarfan · 09-22-2010, 06:23 PM

Is there any hope for more announcements, or is that it?

Winder · 09-22-2010, 06:41 PM

Hopefully Pentax has just been delaying new lenses while they work on the new system. It appears SDM is dead, so crossing fingers we will see some more glass with the new AF motor.

opiet70 · 09-22-2010, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by janneman

WR??? If you need WR visibility will most likely be so low that even the DA*300 is useless.

lol. In the marshes I'll take anything I can get. During this time of year, the ducks are molting and spend quite a bit of time thrashing about. Just yesterday my lens and camera were soaked because I was trying to get a shot close to the water and was splashed by a duck about 20-30 feet away.

Why do I need 300mm when they get that close? 'cause the good stuff happens much further away.

Why do I need WR? 'cause I take my stuff out in all kinds of weather and plan lots of time in boats during this hunting season (rain, mist, wind, splashing, snow...pick some weather...) and even though I may not be using it at that exact moment, I'd prefer it's sealed well enough that when I pick it up it'll work.

So, long story short I agree with you about visibility - but it's the coming and going and conditions I'll be in that have me more concerned.

janneman · 09-23-2010, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by opiet70

lol. In the marshes I'll take anything I can get. During this time of year, the ducks are molting and spend quite a bit of time thrashing about. Just yesterday my lens and camera were soaked because I was trying to get a shot close to the water and was splashed by a duck about 20-30 feet away.

Why do I need 300mm when they get that close? 'cause the good stuff happens much further away..

That may be true but practically all Birdyshots at long range have already been shot and probably published.... It may be satsfynig to you but it is nothing new...
Now, if you need sealing because you may get splashed by the birdies, pop on a short lens and try to get even closer, a framefilling duck taking of with that distinct wide abgle look, that would blow many a birdshooter away...

axl · 09-23-2010, 01:04 AM

What a shame... We've been waiting for quite some time now. And all we get is el cheapo 35/2.4 and big range zoom with DC and WR. I'm really not interested in any of these. While the zooms does fill good gap the prime is rather dissapointing (in it's spec - we'll see how it'll actually perform) and the system is getting middle heavy (primes: 31, 35ltd, 35 DAL, 40, 43, 50, 50M, 55., zooms: 3x18-55, 17-70, 18-135, 16-50) and there are big holes still left unfilled (21 - 31 in primes is huge leap, 77 - 200 in non Macro is even bigger! I really hope they will put themselves together...

lithos · 09-23-2010, 03:46 AM

I googled "Pentax DC Motor" and...yeah.

Apparently, it can get pretty crappy after a while.

janneman · 09-23-2010, 05:23 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by lithos

I googled "Pentax DC Motor" and...yeah.

Apparently, it can get pretty crappy after a while.

wowow....

Quote:

DC/T High Head Submersible
Twin mechanical seals

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09-22-2010, 07:58 AM	#46
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Aristophanes They have a 60-250. Unlikely Pentax will cannibalize sales of one for the other. I may be proved wrong eventually (hopefully) but I do not see that now. Do other brands have a WR 55-300 or equivalent? It doesn't make sense that they sell the K-x with 18-55 + 55-300 double kits, while the K-7 is sold with the 18-55 WR + 50-200 WR combo. The 60-250 is a very different beast, weighing more than twice as much. The 55-300 makes more sense for e.g. hiking where every kilogram counts - and where WR also counts!

09-22-2010, 09:01 AM	#47
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by Aristophanes They have a 60-250. Unlikely Pentax will cannibalize sales of one for the other. I may be proved wrong eventually (hopefully) but I do not see that now. Do other brands have a WR 55-300 or equivalent? But the 55-300 is sold in kit. It would be nice if they updated it with DC and WR. The DA* is in another category anyway by the sole fact it's an f/4 constant lens with superior optics. They are clearly not in the same category so cannibalization shouldn't occur.

09-22-2010, 12:39 PM	#48
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	I was hoping for a fast prime or two to fill the gap between 77mm & 200mm. A 135mm f/2 would have been ideal. I will have to wait and see what Sony has in store for the A7xx replacement and the A9xx replacement. I can finally retire the 5D and move to one platform. The 85mm CZ, 135mm CZ & 24-70 CZ are perfect for what I do and being able to switch them between ASP-C and FF has a lot of advantages. I really like the K-7 and the K-5 looks like a great little camera, but I need to go where the glass is. I was on the pre-order list for the 85mm Sigma for the K-mount. It looks like Sigma might fill in gap for Pentax, but after reading the review of the new 70-200 it does not look like Sigma has improved the quality.

09-22-2010, 01:07 PM	#49
emr Guest	Originally posted by Winder I was hoping for a fast prime or two to fill the gap between 77mm & 200mm. A 135mm f/2 would have been ideal. Is the DFA 100mm f/2.8 too far off then?

09-22-2010, 02:10 PM	#50
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by ManuH But the 55-300 is sold in kit. It would be nice if they updated it with DC and WR. The DA* is in another category anyway by the sole fact it's an f/4 constant lens with superior optics. They are clearly not in the same category so cannibalization shouldn't occur. The DA L version is part of kits but they have sold the DA 55-300mm separately since it was introduced.

09-22-2010, 05:26 PM	#51
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by emr Is the DFA 100mm f/2.8 too far off then? It is an excellent lens for what is does (macro). If it was an improved version of the SDM and an f/1.4 or even f/2 lens I would already own it (even if it was 2x the current price). But it is an excellent lens optically. Just a little slow for what I need.

09-22-2010, 05:48 PM	#52
Freak Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 361	I was surprised that there were not more lens announced... 1x Zoom & 1x Prime, both at the cheap end of the market. Pentax need some wides angles badly, The Tokina 11-16mm should of been announced. A nice f/1.2 of any length would of been nice... (Arrrr Dreams!)

09-22-2010, 06:19 PM	#53
Mohawk Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 109	DA* 11-16/2.8. NOW. I bought the 12-24/4 as a stop gap, but found I need to go a bit wider and f2.8 for what I do. Actually, the 12-24 is a disappointment - the focus ring is not terribly smooth and it has one less aperture blade than the Tokina. And it's length varies by 5mm, unlike the Tokina, which is better built and stays constant. Not a good lens, mechanically, but the IQ is passable. I might get rid of it and get the Siggy 10-20/3.5, or alternatively buy a used Nikon D90 to use the Tokina 11-16. I guess I'm just venting, but the Pentax lens availability and lack of roadmap is getting rather frustrating. This lens situation is not acceptable.

09-22-2010, 06:23 PM	#54
pcarfan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, Ohio Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,978	Is there any hope for more announcements, or is that it?

09-22-2010, 06:41 PM	#55
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Hopefully Pentax has just been delaying new lenses while they work on the new system. It appears SDM is dead, so crossing fingers we will see some more glass with the new AF motor.

09-22-2010, 07:01 PM	#56
opiet70 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 499	Originally posted by janneman WR??? If you need WR visibility will most likely be so low that even the DA*300 is useless. lol. In the marshes I'll take anything I can get. During this time of year, the ducks are molting and spend quite a bit of time thrashing about. Just yesterday my lens and camera were soaked because I was trying to get a shot close to the water and was splashed by a duck about 20-30 feet away. Why do I need 300mm when they get that close? 'cause the good stuff happens much further away. Why do I need WR? 'cause I take my stuff out in all kinds of weather and plan lots of time in boats during this hunting season (rain, mist, wind, splashing, snow...pick some weather...) and even though I may not be using it at that exact moment, I'd prefer it's sealed well enough that when I pick it up it'll work. So, long story short I agree with you about visibility - but it's the coming and going and conditions I'll be in that have me more concerned.

09-23-2010, 12:39 AM	#57
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Originally posted by opiet70 lol. In the marshes I'll take anything I can get. During this time of year, the ducks are molting and spend quite a bit of time thrashing about. Just yesterday my lens and camera were soaked because I was trying to get a shot close to the water and was splashed by a duck about 20-30 feet away. Why do I need 300mm when they get that close? 'cause the good stuff happens much further away.. That may be true but practically all Birdyshots at long range have already been shot and probably published.... It may be satsfynig to you but it is nothing new... Now, if you need sealing because you may get splashed by the birdies, pop on a short lens and try to get even closer, a framefilling duck taking of with that distinct wide abgle look, that would blow many a birdshooter away...

09-23-2010, 01:04 AM	#58
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	What a shame... We've been waiting for quite some time now. And all we get is el cheapo 35/2.4 and big range zoom with DC and WR. I'm really not interested in any of these. While the zooms does fill good gap the prime is rather dissapointing (in it's spec - we'll see how it'll actually perform) and the system is getting middle heavy (primes: 31, 35ltd, 35 DAL, 40, 43, 50, 50M, 55., zooms: 3x18-55, 17-70, 18-135, 16-50) and there are big holes still left unfilled (21 - 31 in primes is huge leap, 77 - 200 in non Macro is even bigger! I really hope they will put themselves together...

09-23-2010, 03:46 AM	#59
lithos Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, QLD, AUS Posts: 3,261	I googled "Pentax DC Motor" and...yeah. Apparently, it can get pretty crappy after a while.

09-23-2010, 05:23 AM - 1 Like	#60
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Originally posted by lithos I googled "Pentax DC Motor" and...yeah. Apparently, it can get pretty crappy after a while. wowow.... Quote: DC/T High Head Submersible Twin mechanical seals