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09-23-2010, 08:29 PM   #31
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The new Nikon samples do look good. I would never shoot nikon do to their high prices (even worse than canon) but they can make a damn good camera body...

I still think that in real world the K-5 will probably stack up well against the nikon. Worse case scenario, the Nikon is a stop better. Not worth switching systems or anything IMO.

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Hard to tell between the Nikon and K-5 samples with the K-5 ones having been resized. In either case I think both will be the same in raw considering these are the same sensors. One might edge out over the other one but for raw, I highly doubt we'll be seeing any 1 stop or even 1/2 stop advantages for either system.
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QuoteOriginally posted by atomiccow Quote
Hard to tell between the Nikon and K-5 samples with the K-5 ones having been resized. In either case I think both will be the same in raw considering these are the same sensors. One might edge out over the other one but for raw, I highly doubt we'll be seeing any 1 stop or even 1/2 stop advantages for either system.
Yeah, I'm guessing it's going to end up real close. From the looks of things, they've got the canon 7D beat and that was probably the best combo of resolution/high ISO noise available on a crop sensor.
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QuoteOriginally posted by NightPorter Quote
Imazing ISO test. Base on this test, I think K-5's ISO 6400 is even better than K-7's ISO 1600.
If that's the case, then it's probably better than the D700's ISO 6400 too. One reason less to move to FF.

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Photos of d7000 is soft and the details are lost.
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QuoteOriginally posted by starscream Quote
Photos of d7000 is soft and the details are lost.
And most of all, they seem to have "blotchy" noise which the K-5 doesn't have. So far, I think K-5 samples look more promising than D7000 samples, but it's just pure guessing before we have more comparable shots.
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Unfortunately, the D7000 samples I've seen so far at 6400 look a lot better than the K-5:
Don't look any better than K-5 to my eyes. By the way, white balance is awful in all those D7000 shots.
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Decent results.
Looks like at least ISO 3200 shots can be printed to 100% with this kind of noise control.

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QuoteOriginally posted by K-9 Quote
Unfortunately, the D7000 samples I've seen so far at 6400 look a lot better than the K-5:

D7000 high ISO samples

Everything looks great except the 25,600 on the Nikon looks rather noisy to me, so I highly doubt the K-5's will look much better. This would probably mean that 51,200 won't be very usable.

D7000 high ISO link more samples

D7000 @ 6400

D7000 @ 12,800

D7000 @ 25,600

And this flickr photo features an interesting comment:

D7000 at 12,800
Lets not overlook the obvious here.

1. Image exposure...
1. Desaturation in the images(reduced color noise effect).
2. Heavy NR in higher ISO images.

Having said that... if the images were exposed to as to contain the highlights/blowouts(properly), then we would have a more accurate noise reading than what was shown here.

And finally... though I totally understand the need for camera NR, if the D7000 doesn't have the NR controls the K-5 has on RAW images, then there are no doubts on which camera will yield better IQ. Because as sensitives go up, so to does detail retention rise in critical values.

But something tells me were not looking at anything new or shocking at this stage. Pentax has always leaned in favor of detail over that of noise reduction. Which is really good when you think about it, given the recent advancements in RAW and post processing. A factor(in itself) that could position the K-5 above the D7000.

FTR. I think its still too early to determine which positions each system will claim with respect to RAW performance. Though from what I've seen to date, it is looking as though the K-5 may take the lead with respect to image quality against the D7000.
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D7000 images have WB issues it seems, lot of yellow caste (may be Nikon advt flyer reflecting).
Images look soft and devoid of details.

It would be great if some one visiting Photokina can post similar shots both from K-5 and D7000.

What is the FW of Nikon? I hear its already shipping so is in final firmware shape.
While Pentax needs to be upgraded to final firmware.

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If those samples reflect the real improvement in image quality, I am VERY impressed!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Atindra Quote
D7000 images have WB issues it seems, lot of yellow caste (may be Nikon advt flyer reflecting).
Images look soft and devoid of details.
I see an ugly yellow cast to Nikon images over and over. That must be what they're aiming for, because it's been that way for years, even with cameras that use the same sensor as Pentax.
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I see an ugly yellow cast to Nikon images over and over. That must be what they're aiming for, because it's been that way for years, even with cameras that use the same sensor as Pentax.
I recall high ISO testing where Nikon said to desaturate colors in what seems like part of the noise reduction system. However, I don't know this occurred in RAW.

I also didn't noticed this on the D700 either.

It's possible what we are seeing here, is nothing more than user error. ie. I see no need for blowouts on the hand of the guy holding the camera. Perhaps the person taking the shot exposed to the right thinking it would improve things at higher ISO.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnBee Quote
I recall high ISO testing where Nikon said to desaturate colors in what seems like part of the noise reduction system. However, I don't know this occurred in RAW.

I also didn't noticed this on the D700 either.
Do a search on Nikon "yellow cast" There are lots of hits. It seems to be related to AWB and can't be compensated for with the hue control because it changes depending on light. I've commented on this in the past. Some people aren't that sensitive to it. Personally I hate the look (when it's there).
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