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Torphoto · 09-26-2010, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

Thanks for the effort, truly appreciated. Unfortunately, it won't work for Pentax. They refused to offer me the K5. They only offered me a Pro discount.

Best
Ben

HUH! are they that stupid not to offer a well known pro a freebie, especially one who would show off the gear! Everyone knows canikon gives lots of freebie give away bodies to pros just for the free publicity.

sjwaldron · 09-26-2010, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Rupert

I really don't have a clue as to the direction Pentax is headed

I think Pentax is indeed going toward the HelloKitty market and away from serious shooters.

I think pentax has always tried to appeal to casual shooters:

You Tube

That girl is exactly who they are targeting for the K-x and K-r (in colors).

That being said, I think Pentax has targeted outdoors (WR) for just as long.

Pentax LX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

creampuff · 09-26-2010, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Torphoto

HUH! are they that stupid not to offer a well known pro a freebie, especially one who would show off the gear! Everyone knows canikon gives lots of freebie give away bodies to pros just for the free publicity.

Really? I have dealt with quite a number of working pros where I am and not all of them gets freebies. That's more myth than reality. The truth is there is no free lunch.

magkelly · 09-26-2010, 08:14 PM

I don't see that. I think they do know where they are going. It's just maybe not where we think they should be going and how fast. I do think Pentax is trying to work both ends of the market. They want to eventually appeal to everyone from soccer moms to pros but they can't do it all at once, and let's face it the pros are not driving the explosion of the DSLR market.

Under $1000 DSLR's are the ones selling. Normal people are buying more of them than the pros and it's those same "normal" people who are also standing in line buying candy colored cell phones and mp3 players. Flagship camera or not their real bottom line isn't the people buying the K-7/K-5. It's the people buying the cute K-x/K-r that will be keeping them solvent and fully capable of making more advanced cameras for those who truly need them. Without the low end DSLR's there would be no Pentax.

It's the same for Canon I would imagine. The more entry level Rebels they sell the more advanced stuff they can offer to the pros. Nikon, their market is much more geared towards pros, but I'd still bet all those basic Nikon DSLR's they're selling from places like Walmart are impacting their sales figures in a very significant way.

The bottom end of the market is growing all over the place. The pro market, probably not so much. They have to care about all those people with their affection for the i-phones, i-pods and such. Probably for every higher end camera they actually sell they likely sell 10 of the basic ones.

If coloring them like a bunch of crayons sells more? Leads to more sales, to Pentax continuing to make cameras for everyone including the pros? Then who cares if they make a few low end cameras that look silly to the average pro? It worked for Apple, all those bright colored computers, mp3 players, and cells. Brought that company pretty much back from the dead into being a top company again. I'd gladly have Pentax make see through cameras that looked like kid's jelly shoes so long as it enabled them to stay in business and make more cameras like the K-7.

Last edited by magkelly; 09-26-2010 at 08:20 PM.

Torphoto · 09-26-2010, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by creampuff

Really? I have dealt with quite a number of working pros where I am and not all of them gets freebies. That's more myth than reality. The truth is there is no free lunch.

It depends, here as small as we are on the map I know one newspaper sports shooter who gets the latest nikon anything to play with, the idea is to get the newspaper he works for to buy more. He was playing with the Nikon 200-400 when it was still a rumor. Now he does have to give some of it back but you get the idea.

Now in Benjikans case Pentax could at least use him to test out their cameras, loan him a 645D to shoot another cover, that's alot of good free publicity.

sir_bazz · 09-26-2010, 10:58 PM

Must admit that it seems like a small cost to Pentax in order to have them represented professionally in magazines like Harpers Bazaar.

bazz.

MRRiley · 09-27-2010, 04:03 AM

Nero had a better marketing department than Pentax does... Why is it surprising that they choose to ignore and alienate a working Pro of Ben's caliber?

SAD!!!

FullertonImages · 09-27-2010, 08:13 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MikePerham

Outdoor photography is not just about the kind of work Franz Lanting does, certainly your concerns would be valid in that arena. However there are many out door photographers that used the Pentax 645 before the move to digital, Daryl Benson and Tim Fitzharris come instantly to mind, but moved to other brands in their swithch to digital. Likely still have all those 645 lenses and now have a body on which to use them.

While the 645D is usable for fashion, wedding photgrapy as well, the original 645 made it's name as a field camera and that is where I think Pentax are aiming the 645D, but there are other brands better established in the fashion/wedding market.

The 645D has always been purely intended to a field camera from day 1. Any other areas where it catches on will be nice, but it's focus and how it will be marketed are for outdoor nature/landscape shooting. People who are pro landscape shooters, that frequently make large prints and want something rugged and weatherproof for the field will go bonkers over this thing.

benjikan · 09-27-2010, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by MRRiley

Nero had a better marketing department than Pentax does... Why is it surprising that they choose to ignore and alienate a working Pro of Ben's caliber?

SAD!!!

"NERO had a better Marketing Department..." LMAO!!!!!

philbaum · 09-27-2010, 09:07 AM

Pentax, fire your marketing staff, and now!!!!!!!!!!

Kerrick James is fine, but benjikan is incredibly creative in a whole diffferent venue. I've really enjoyed his many posts on pentax forums. I just can't believe Pentax would do this - why???????????

benjikan · 09-27-2010, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by philbaum

Pentax, fire your marketing staff, and now!!!!!!!!!!

Kerrick James is fine, but benjikan is incredibly creative in a whole diffferent venue. I've really enjoyed his many posts on pentax forums. I just can't believe Pentax would do this - why???????????

Don't worry about it, the K20D has an excellent sensor and especially at 100 iso. Gets the job done... Did these with the DA*16-50 f2.8 (with the new replaced by Pentax AF motor) and my Favorite DA 12-24 f4.0 lens.

benjikan · 09-27-2010, 11:05 AM

Here are the last 2

Blue · 09-27-2010, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

"NERO had a better Marketing Department..." LMAO!!!!!

yeah, but his undoing was fiddling while Rome burned.

philbaum · 09-27-2010, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

Don't worry about it, the K20D has an excellent sensor and especially at 100 iso. Gets the job done... Did these with the DA*16-50 f2.8 (with the new replaced by Pentax AF motor) and my Favorite DA 12-24 f4.0 lens.

Wow, your images are a lot of fun to look at, stunners. Especially like the one with the kangaroo and the coffee pot on the fire. Has an Alice in Wonderland feel to it. second favorite was the gal sitting next to a stack of books.

elho_cid · 09-27-2010, 01:18 PM

I admire Benjamin's work and his talent and creativity. I seriously think that he is a real artist.
But Pentax probably doesn't want to show that professionals are using their cameras. They are very amateur oriented brand.
Even 645D is designed as a hobbyist camera (but expensive).

09-27-2010, 09:07 AM	#70
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	What's the wholesale cost of a K5, maybe $600... Pentax, fire your marketing staff, and now!!!!!!!!!! Kerrick James is fine, but benjikan is incredibly creative in a whole diffferent venue. I've really enjoyed his many posts on pentax forums. I just can't believe Pentax would do this - why???????????

09-27-2010, 11:04 AM	#71
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Originally posted by philbaum Pentax, fire your marketing staff, and now!!!!!!!!!! Kerrick James is fine, but benjikan is incredibly creative in a whole diffferent venue. I've really enjoyed his many posts on pentax forums. I just can't believe Pentax would do this - why??????????? Don't worry about it, the K20D has an excellent sensor and especially at 100 iso. Gets the job done... Did these with the DA*16-50 f2.8 (with the new replaced by Pentax AF motor) and my Favorite DA 12-24 f4.0 lens. Attached Images

09-27-2010, 11:05 AM	#72
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Last 2 Here are the last 2 Attached Images

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09-26-2010, 06:14 PM	#61
Torphoto Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Trinidad W.I. Photos: Gallery Posts: 612	Originally posted by benjikan Thanks for the effort, truly appreciated. Unfortunately, it won't work for Pentax. They refused to offer me the K5. They only offered me a Pro discount. Best Ben HUH! are they that stupid not to offer a well known pro a freebie, especially one who would show off the gear! Everyone knows canikon gives lots of freebie give away bodies to pros just for the free publicity.

09-26-2010, 06:46 PM	#63
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	Originally posted by Torphoto HUH! are they that stupid not to offer a well known pro a freebie, especially one who would show off the gear! Everyone knows canikon gives lots of freebie give away bodies to pros just for the free publicity. Really? I have dealt with quite a number of working pros where I am and not all of them gets freebies. That's more myth than reality. The truth is there is no free lunch.

09-26-2010, 08:14 PM	#64
magkelly Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,901	I don't see that. I think they do know where they are going. It's just maybe not where we think they should be going and how fast. I do think Pentax is trying to work both ends of the market. They want to eventually appeal to everyone from soccer moms to pros but they can't do it all at once, and let's face it the pros are not driving the explosion of the DSLR market. Under $1000 DSLR's are the ones selling. Normal people are buying more of them than the pros and it's those same "normal" people who are also standing in line buying candy colored cell phones and mp3 players. Flagship camera or not their real bottom line isn't the people buying the K-7/K-5. It's the people buying the cute K-x/K-r that will be keeping them solvent and fully capable of making more advanced cameras for those who truly need them. Without the low end DSLR's there would be no Pentax. It's the same for Canon I would imagine. The more entry level Rebels they sell the more advanced stuff they can offer to the pros. Nikon, their market is much more geared towards pros, but I'd still bet all those basic Nikon DSLR's they're selling from places like Walmart are impacting their sales figures in a very significant way. The bottom end of the market is growing all over the place. The pro market, probably not so much. They have to care about all those people with their affection for the i-phones, i-pods and such. Probably for every higher end camera they actually sell they likely sell 10 of the basic ones. If coloring them like a bunch of crayons sells more? Leads to more sales, to Pentax continuing to make cameras for everyone including the pros? Then who cares if they make a few low end cameras that look silly to the average pro? It worked for Apple, all those bright colored computers, mp3 players, and cells. Brought that company pretty much back from the dead into being a top company again. I'd gladly have Pentax make see through cameras that looked like kid's jelly shoes so long as it enabled them to stay in business and make more cameras like the K-7. Last edited by magkelly; 09-26-2010 at 08:20 PM.

09-26-2010, 09:08 PM	#65
Torphoto Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Trinidad W.I. Photos: Gallery Posts: 612	Originally posted by creampuff Really? I have dealt with quite a number of working pros where I am and not all of them gets freebies. That's more myth than reality. The truth is there is no free lunch. It depends, here as small as we are on the map I know one newspaper sports shooter who gets the latest nikon anything to play with, the idea is to get the newspaper he works for to buy more. He was playing with the Nikon 200-400 when it was still a rumor. Now he does have to give some of it back but you get the idea. Now in Benjikans case Pentax could at least use him to test out their cameras, loan him a 645D to shoot another cover, that's alot of good free publicity.

09-26-2010, 10:58 PM	#66
sir_bazz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 184	Must admit that it seems like a small cost to Pentax in order to have them represented professionally in magazines like Harpers Bazaar. bazz.

09-27-2010, 04:03 AM	#67
MRRiley Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sterling, VA, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,275	Nero had a better marketing department than Pentax does... Why is it surprising that they choose to ignore and alienate a working Pro of Ben's caliber? SAD!!!

09-27-2010, 08:13 AM - 1 Like	#68
FullertonImages Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 883	Originally posted by MikePerham Outdoor photography is not just about the kind of work Franz Lanting does, certainly your concerns would be valid in that arena. However there are many out door photographers that used the Pentax 645 before the move to digital, Daryl Benson and Tim Fitzharris come instantly to mind, but moved to other brands in their swithch to digital. Likely still have all those 645 lenses and now have a body on which to use them. While the 645D is usable for fashion, wedding photgrapy as well, the original 645 made it's name as a field camera and that is where I think Pentax are aiming the 645D, but there are other brands better established in the fashion/wedding market. The 645D has always been purely intended to a field camera from day 1. Any other areas where it catches on will be nice, but it's focus and how it will be marketed are for outdoor nature/landscape shooting. People who are pro landscape shooters, that frequently make large prints and want something rugged and weatherproof for the field will go bonkers over this thing.

09-27-2010, 08:50 AM	#69
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Originally posted by MRRiley Nero had a better marketing department than Pentax does... Why is it surprising that they choose to ignore and alienate a working Pro of Ben's caliber? SAD!!! "NERO had a better Marketing Department..." LMAO!!!!!

09-27-2010, 12:21 PM	#73
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by benjikan "NERO had a better Marketing Department..." LMAO!!!!! yeah, but his undoing was fiddling while Rome burned.

09-27-2010, 12:52 PM	#74
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by benjikan Don't worry about it, the K20D has an excellent sensor and especially at 100 iso. Gets the job done... Did these with the DA*16-50 f2.8 (with the new replaced by Pentax AF motor) and my Favorite DA 12-24 f4.0 lens. Wow, your images are a lot of fun to look at, stunners. Especially like the one with the kangaroo and the coffee pot on the fire. Has an Alice in Wonderland feel to it. second favorite was the gal sitting next to a stack of books.

09-27-2010, 01:18 PM	#75
elho_cid Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Prague Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	I admire Benjamin's work and his talent and creativity. I seriously think that he is a real artist. But Pentax probably doesn't want to show that professionals are using their cameras. They are very amateur oriented brand. Even 645D is designed as a hobbyist camera (but expensive).

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