New K5 shots

JohnBee · 10-01-2010, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T

Dude I think you need your eyes checked, it's far superior to the K-7.

lol

Considering there is a good chance the K-5 will be the new DR king, I think that was most likely a little humor. Either way, there really is not way to know with these shots.

BTW. until the day comes when we can take a shot indoors and end-up with a picture that shows both indoor and outdoor lighting(like our eyes can do), then I'd say we would have finally begun to see above average DR. Though something tells me that were still a ways away from such a thing. :ugh:

tmt79 · 10-01-2010, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by JohnBee

lol

Considering there is a good chance the K-5 will be the new DR king, I think that was most likely a little humor. Either way, there really is not way to know with these shots.

BTW. until the day comes when we can take a shot indoors and end-up with a picture that shows both indoor and outdoor lighting(like our eyes can do), then I'd say we would have finally begun to see above average DR. Though something tells me that were still a ways away from such a thing. :ugh:

Exactly!

raz · 10-01-2010, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by cbaytan

DR is not good enough

For my eyes those images have very good DR.

TomE · 10-01-2010, 06:23 AM

Interesting how much people get excited about a camera that has not even been released yet, I think I will wait until they actually go on sale to see how the K-5 really works.

In the mean time, I will keep using my K20D and my D700 instead of selling them so I can purchase a camera that may or may not live up to its hype!

Tom

ogl · 10-01-2010, 06:39 AM

The photos are not masterpieces...

but we can see the good work of light metering and DR possibility.

I'd like to see DNG.

Edvinas · 10-01-2010, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by ogl

The photos are not masterpieces...

but we can see the good work of light metering and DR possibility.

I'd like to see DNG.

We don't know wether exposure compensation was used or maybe everything was taken in Manual mode? Maybe all pictures are HDR?

Ishpuini · 10-01-2010, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by McKajVah

I fail to see what is so impressive with the shots... Please enlighten me.

Forests are very difficult subjects, especially in terms of dynamic range. They are very dark but the little sunlight that enters and reaches the lower levels makes for extreme differences. I remember that I never produced an acceptable forest photograph when I was still shooting analog (I didn't master photography back then as I do now), it took digital to provide the immediate feedback to learn to deal with this more or less...

I can see indeed that detail is very rich in both shadows and higlights in these images, seemingly richer than what I would expect from earlier cameras indeed.

However, we don't know how these images were made. What image mode was used? Or were they shot in RAW? And if so, how were they processed? I suppose we can exclude the use of the in-camera HDR modes, but all the rest is guesswork. But still impressive...

Wim

johnmflores · 10-01-2010, 06:44 AM

As someone that's struggled with these exact types of shots - shaded wood with light streaming through - these samples seem better that what I can get with the K20d.

No, where not where JohnBee wants (indoor light and outdoor light rendered well) but at least we are heading in the right direction.

Pablom · 10-01-2010, 07:02 AM

looks like a showcase of lenses more than anything

Pablom · 10-01-2010, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by Ishpuini

However, we don't know how these images were made. What image mode was used? Or were they shot in RAW? And if so, how were they processed? I suppose we can exclude the use of the in-camera HDR modes, but all the rest is guesswork. But still impressive...

does it really matter? the photos show the capabilities of a camera, it doesn't guarantee that you'd be able to do it yourself, it's still a DSLR

**Ahab** · 10-01-2010, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T

Dude I think you need your eyes checked, it's far superior to the K-7.

I wouldn't go so far to say "far superior".

Steelski · 10-01-2010, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by JohnBee

lol

Considering there is a good chance the K-5 will be the new DR king, I think that was most likely a little humor. Either way, there really is not way to know with these shots.

BTW. until the day comes when we can take a shot indoors and end-up with a picture that shows both indoor and outdoor lighting(like our eyes can do), then I'd say we would have finally begun to see above average DR. Though something tells me that were still a ways away from such a thing. :ugh:

I would argue that its very possible given that on an avarage day, if you are not shooting at noon you would require ISO 80, at 1/80th at F8-16.
If you were shooting 14 bit RAW, boosted a lot in PP, then I would think its possible to get a usable result after NR. I have seen results with the Fuji S5 that make it usable in this situation. And it could be the case if Gordons predictions of usable shadow data hold true.

Example from what I could pull from the net at such short notice from a S5

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2517564374_f3d8b94058.jpg

cbaytan · 10-01-2010, 07:23 AM

Hmm came home and things look pretty different here, with better monitor, I take my my bad DR comment back, decent DR, it was my employers fault, but DR is not up to D3x yet.

JohnBee · 10-01-2010, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by cbaytan

but DR is not up to D3x yet.

Apparently.... according to GordonB's measurements, the K-5(and variants) will most likely be the king of the hill with respect to DR this year(FF and others).
Of course its hard to commit to anything without substantiation, though based on the ISO6400 RAW that have been going around, I'd say he's most likely very close to reality with his projections.

ie. if you take ISO6400 RAW files from both a D3x and the K-5 and look at the highlight /shadow slider responses between them, you may be shocked to find some rather similar responsiveness between the two.

GordonB's prediction is that the K-5 sensor may reach a score of 14 on the DXo scale.

deadwolfbones · 10-01-2010, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by JohnBee

Apparently.... according to GordonB's measurements, the K-5(and variants) will most likely be the king of the hill with respect to DR this year(FF and others).
Of course its hard to commit to anything without substantiation, though based on the ISO6400 RAW that have been going around, I'd say he's most likely very close to reality with his projections.

I think you're swallowing this pill a little too easily. Need to cool it with the expectations or you're bound for disappointment once it finally arrives.

10-01-2010, 07:23 AM	#28
cbaytan Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Trabzon/Turkey Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,010	Hmm came home and things look pretty different here, with better monitor, I take my my bad DR comment back, decent DR, it was my employers fault, but DR is not up to D3x yet. Last edited by cbaytan; 10-01-2010 at 07:48 AM. Reason: typo

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10-01-2010, 05:43 AM	#16
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T Dude I think you need your eyes checked, it's far superior to the K-7. lol Considering there is a good chance the K-5 will be the new DR king, I think that was most likely a little humor. Either way, there really is not way to know with these shots. BTW. until the day comes when we can take a shot indoors and end-up with a picture that shows both indoor and outdoor lighting(like our eyes can do), then I'd say we would have finally begun to see above average DR. Though something tells me that were still a ways away from such a thing. :ugh:

10-01-2010, 06:04 AM	#17
tmt79 Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16	Originally posted by JohnBee lol Considering there is a good chance the K-5 will be the new DR king, I think that was most likely a little humor. Either way, there really is not way to know with these shots. BTW. until the day comes when we can take a shot indoors and end-up with a picture that shows both indoor and outdoor lighting(like our eyes can do), then I'd say we would have finally begun to see above average DR. Though something tells me that were still a ways away from such a thing. :ugh: Exactly!

10-01-2010, 06:09 AM	#18
raz Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Timisoara, Romania Posts: 248	Originally posted by cbaytan DR is not good enough For my eyes those images have very good DR.

10-01-2010, 06:23 AM	#19
TomE Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 299	Interesting how much people get excited about a camera that has not even been released yet, I think I will wait until they actually go on sale to see how the K-5 really works. In the mean time, I will keep using my K20D and my D700 instead of selling them so I can purchase a camera that may or may not live up to its hype! Tom

10-01-2010, 06:39 AM	#20
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	The photos are not masterpieces... but we can see the good work of light metering and DR possibility. I'd like to see DNG.

10-01-2010, 06:41 AM	#21
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by ogl The photos are not masterpieces... but we can see the good work of light metering and DR possibility. I'd like to see DNG. We don't know wether exposure compensation was used or maybe everything was taken in Manual mode? Maybe all pictures are HDR?

10-01-2010, 06:41 AM	#22
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	Originally posted by McKajVah I fail to see what is so impressive with the shots... Please enlighten me. Forests are very difficult subjects, especially in terms of dynamic range. They are very dark but the little sunlight that enters and reaches the lower levels makes for extreme differences. I remember that I never produced an acceptable forest photograph when I was still shooting analog (I didn't master photography back then as I do now), it took digital to provide the immediate feedback to learn to deal with this more or less... I can see indeed that detail is very rich in both shadows and higlights in these images, seemingly richer than what I would expect from earlier cameras indeed. However, we don't know how these images were made. What image mode was used? Or were they shot in RAW? And if so, how were they processed? I suppose we can exclude the use of the in-camera HDR modes, but all the rest is guesswork. But still impressive... Wim

10-01-2010, 06:44 AM	#23
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	As someone that's struggled with these exact types of shots - shaded wood with light streaming through - these samples seem better that what I can get with the K20d. No, where not where JohnBee wants (indoor light and outdoor light rendered well) but at least we are heading in the right direction.

10-01-2010, 07:02 AM	#24
Pablom Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Usa Posts: 1,940	looks like a showcase of lenses more than anything

10-01-2010, 07:06 AM	#25
Pablom Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Usa Posts: 1,940	Originally posted by Ishpuini However, we don't know how these images were made. What image mode was used? Or were they shot in RAW? And if so, how were they processed? I suppose we can exclude the use of the in-camera HDR modes, but all the rest is guesswork. But still impressive... does it really matter? the photos show the capabilities of a camera, it doesn't guarantee that you'd be able to do it yourself, it's still a DSLR

10-01-2010, 07:18 AM	#26
Ahab Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arnold, Md. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 762	Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T Dude I think you need your eyes checked, it's far superior to the K-7. I wouldn't go so far to say "far superior".

10-01-2010, 07:18 AM	#27
Steelski Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Varna Posts: 470	Originally posted by JohnBee lol Considering there is a good chance the K-5 will be the new DR king, I think that was most likely a little humor. Either way, there really is not way to know with these shots. BTW. until the day comes when we can take a shot indoors and end-up with a picture that shows both indoor and outdoor lighting(like our eyes can do), then I'd say we would have finally begun to see above average DR. Though something tells me that were still a ways away from such a thing. :ugh: I would argue that its very possible given that on an avarage day, if you are not shooting at noon you would require ISO 80, at 1/80th at F8-16. If you were shooting 14 bit RAW, boosted a lot in PP, then I would think its possible to get a usable result after NR. I have seen results with the Fuji S5 that make it usable in this situation. And it could be the case if Gordons predictions of usable shadow data hold true. Example from what I could pull from the net at such short notice from a S5 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2517564374_f3d8b94058.jpg

10-01-2010, 07:42 AM	#29
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by cbaytan but DR is not up to D3x yet. Apparently.... according to GordonB's measurements, the K-5(and variants) will most likely be the king of the hill with respect to DR this year(FF and others). Of course its hard to commit to anything without substantiation, though based on the ISO6400 RAW that have been going around, I'd say he's most likely very close to reality with his projections. ie. if you take ISO6400 RAW files from both a D3x and the K-5 and look at the highlight /shadow slider responses between them, you may be shocked to find some rather similar responsiveness between the two. GordonB's prediction is that the K-5 sensor may reach a score of 14 on the DXo scale.

10-01-2010, 08:20 AM	#30
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 7,451	Originally posted by JohnBee Apparently.... according to GordonB's measurements, the K-5(and variants) will most likely be the king of the hill with respect to DR this year(FF and others). Of course its hard to commit to anything without substantiation, though based on the ISO6400 RAW that have been going around, I'd say he's most likely very close to reality with his projections. I think you're swallowing this pill a little too easily. Need to cool it with the expectations or you're bound for disappointment once it finally arrives.