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10-03-2010, 03:51 AM   #1
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The easy way for Pentax to make FF system

I'm just thinking aloud. Join, please...But, I ask you to think twice and take account of limit resources of HOYA/Pentax.

First steps to offer FF system.:ugh:


1. Put 2 old PRIME 2 processors to the body.
2. SONY 24 MP sensor
3. The same menus, controls and functions as in K-5.
4. Redesign K-5 body.
5. Redesign in WR DC version THREE old lenses -
FA20-35/4 (still in production, by the way), 28-70/2.8 and 80-200/2.8
6.....????


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Good plan, but I think that this camera will have to be offered in a kit form as well. So, a fourth lens, similar to good old FA 28-105/4-5.6 (PZ version) will have to be offered to the prospective buyers.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
. Put 2 old PRIME 2 processors to the body.
Why not the new PRIME prcessor?
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How do you know that's the "cheap" way? Any idea how much it would cost? About R&D involved? Do you have any idea what are you talking about? No, as usual? (what a surprise!)
This thread is pointless. Pentax already knows how to make a "FF" DSLR, they don't need ogl to tell them how easy&cheap it is.

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The cheapest way to make ff is to not make it at all... which is exactly what they are doing. Pentax doesn't care about ff, so if you do then you know where you have to go.
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Sorry, but why would I want to buy this camera? It'll have the same crappy high ISO and slow FPS that sunk the Sony A850 and A900. On top of that, you launch it with three highly mediocre pieces of glass? I don't know about the 28-70, but the 20-35 and 80-200 have terrible edge resolution even on APS-C. Also, you're missing: redesign their SR system to accommodate a FF sensor. But, I guess they can nix SR all together to make the camera even cheaper, and even more uninspiring.

Is Pentax supposed to try to release a cheaper version than Sony, whose business model was to brute force its way into having market share? You can buy a used A850, a pretty decent camera in its own right, for $1,500-$1,600 used all day long. It doesn't get much cheaper than that.
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Pentax will not produce an FF, As we said , market is too small and they need to go were the volume is, Mirrorless camera. Would be great for high end but # of units is important. Camera now are a consumer item
And just imagine how much bashing will come up if Pentax was getting a sub standard FF camera
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So you guys think they will never make a full frame?

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Why not the new PRIME prcessor?
New PRIME will be from Fujitsu. It's addittional MONEY.
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How do you know that's the "cheap" way? Any idea how much it would cost? About R&D involved? Do you have any idea what are you talking about? No, as usual? (what a surprise!)
This thread is pointless. Pentax already knows how to make a "FF" DSLR, they don't need ogl to tell them how easy&cheap it is.
Why so much conceit and snobbery??? We just dream and communicate here and nothing else...
Do you work for HOYA? Or do you have any psychologic problems?

There are several FF threads here and nobody suffer from it...

If we have a look at last HOYA's actions - it's easy to see that
K-5 is just K-7 super, 645D has menus close to K-7, the same battery and e.t.c.


If HOYA knows, where is FF?

And I don't ask you to say your opinion about this thread...
If you have nothing to say, why do you write here?
Are you squabbler?
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Pentax will not produce an FF, As we said , market is too small and they need to go were the volume is, Mirrorless camera. Would be great for high end but # of units is important. Camera now are a consumer item
And just imagine how much bashing will come up if Pentax was getting a sub standard FF camera
They also said that they would think about FF system after 645D's launch...
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imho there is no room for pentax FF DSLR.

however if they make it a FF EVIL with fully functional K adapter and shallow mount to be able to adapt rangefinder lenses, it will be a huge hit, even if priced well over 2500$
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
I'm just thinking aloud. Join, please...But, I ask you to think twice and take account of limit resources of HOYA/Pentax.

First steps to offer FF system.:ugh:


1. Put 2 old PRIME 2 processors to the body.
2. SONY 24 MP sensor
3. The same menus, controls and functions as in K-5.
4. Redesign K-5 body.
5. Redesign in WR DC version THREE old lenses -
FA20-35/4 (still in production, by the way), 28-70/2.8 and 80-200/2.8
6.....????
First of all why does it have to be cheap. We know Pentaxians are a cheap bunch, but going cheap is what sunk the A900/A850.

1: Put in 2 newer processors, one just isn't enough. Look at the K7/K5. Both have too low a burst length and take forever to render anything.

2: Sony 12-16mp sensor. We need more speed and high ISO, not more mp.

3: This should be standard across the entire Pentex line with small modifications in each model.

4: Too small. If you want to go cheap then redesign the K20 body with a larger viewfinder/mirror box, and make it out of magnesium, make the grip integrated and put the buttons for ISO, wb, etc there with a small screen. I would like to see a new larger body made, but still with the integrated grip. Using the K20 design would save a little on R&D.

5: Make standard 24-70 and 70-200 f2.8 lenses. These are the big sellers when it comes to full frame lenses and outsell all the others. This will cost money to make so Pentax could work with a company like Sigma or Tamron to produce these rebadged as Pentax. They could also just make the lenses themselves, but until that is ramped up the 3rd party stuff is already available.

6: Dual CF slots. SD is too slow to handle the info going into it at a fast burst rate.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
5. Redesign in WR DC version THREE old lenses -
FA20-35/4 (still in production, by the way), 28-70/2.8 and 80-200/2.8
6.....????
7. PROFIT!

Seriously, stop dreaming. I`m putting half my Pentax stuff on sale here soon, because waiting for the thing that might never happen is a big mistake.
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They also said that they would think about FF system after 645D's launch...
No HOYA/Pentax official ever claimed it in these terms. All they said about it is literally: "Stop asking."
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