What do "we" realy want?

J-Rod · 12-09-2010, 07:21 PM

I want a K-30. All the gutz of the K-5 in a K-10/20 body.

cbaytan · 12-09-2010, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by J-Rod

I want a K-30. All the gutz of the K-5 in a K-10/20 body.

Just wondered what's the superiority over K7 body? Size? SR button?

markac · 12-11-2010, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by J-Rod

I want a K-30. All the gutz of the K-5 in a K-10/20 body.

I agree that the size of the K20D is good, but I think if Pentax makes another camera around K10/K20 size it should be full frame not APS-C.

When Sony introduced the Alpha 900 it was the smallest full frame DSLR available and I think Pentax can go one better and make a full frame DSLR pretty much the same size as the K20D was. If that camera could offer better noise figures than the A900/A850 and decent video capabilities, it would be a real winner for Pentax. If it could undercut the A850's current price that would be even better, and really start to hot things up in the full frame arena. Such a camera should have a mount that isn't crippled so that even early K mount lenses are fully functional and then Pentax can work on some killer new FF lenses. The camera should also come with a 3 inch 3:2 ratio display or even a 3.6" 16:9 screen. It would also be better to use an OLED screen rather than the usual LCD. Sony's rumored new FF sensor would be a good choice for this camera as this will probably be used in the A900 successor too.

Pentax now has a class leading APS-C DSLR with the K5 and a great Medium Format DSLR with the 645D, but there is an enormous chasm between those cameras, and it's one that needs to be filled. Whilst many people think APS-C is good enough, a sizeable amount of us would like something more. However that doesn't mean that we want or can afford medium format. If you can't understand why, try looking through a full frame viewfinder and then download some Sony A900/A850 or Canon Eos 5D II samples sometime and maybe you'll get the picture. Sorry no pun intended!

Personally I've only ever seen APS-C as a stop gap. Hopefully Pentax will announce a FF DSLR in the foreseeable future or I will probably find myself defecting to Sony when the A900/A850 successors arrive. I really hope I don't have to do that......

Christopher M.W.T · 12-13-2010, 06:06 AM

I want to be able to write d p r e v i e w .com without been censored lol!

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GordonZA · 12-15-2010, 03:19 AM

I voted for FPS, bigger buffer, lens roadmap and longer fast lenses...

Specifically I would definitely buy:
1. DA* 400mm F2.8 ED (IF) DC WR
2. DA* 500mm F4 ED (IF) DC WR
3. DA* 1.4X ED DC WR converter
4. DA* 2X ED DC WR converter

I would sell my body on the street corner to get these products from Pentax... anyone want to see my leg... only US$100 per peek...

bdery · 12-15-2010, 05:48 AM

The results suggest we want everything and then some...

TaoMaas · 12-15-2010, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by bdery

The results suggest we want everything and then some...

Very true! We want it all, we want it now, and we want it for cheaper than anyone else's prices.

Laurentiu Cristofor · 12-17-2010, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by stanleyk

... and a Pentax version of the Fuji X100.

+1 on that. But sadly, unlikely.

And I'm surprised no one brought this up before:

+ modern extension rings that are WR and work with SDM

These are in my opinion much more useful than TCs.

Winder · 12-17-2010, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by markac

I agree that the size of the K20D is good, but I think if Pentax makes another camera around K10/K20 size it should be full frame not APS-C.

When Sony introduced the Alpha 900 it was the smallest full frame DSLR available and I think Pentax can go one better and make a full frame DSLR pretty much the same size as the K20D was. If that camera could offer better noise figures than the A900/A850 and decent video capabilities, it would be a real winner for Pentax. If it could undercut the A850's current price that would be even better, and really start to hot things up in the full frame arena. Such a camera should have a mount that isn't crippled so that even early K mount lenses are fully functional and then Pentax can work on some killer new FF lenses. The camera should also come with a 3 inch 3:2 ratio display or even a 3.6" 16:9 screen. It would also be better to use an OLED screen rather than the usual LCD. Sony's rumored new FF sensor would be a good choice for this camera as this will probably be used in the A900 successor too.

Pentax now has a class leading APS-C DSLR with the K5 and a great Medium Format DSLR with the 645D, but there is an enormous chasm between those cameras, and it's one that needs to be filled. Whilst many people think APS-C is good enough, a sizeable amount of us would like something more. However that doesn't mean that we want or can afford medium format. If you can't understand why, try looking through a full frame viewfinder and then download some Sony A900/A850 or Canon Eos 5D II samples sometime and maybe you'll get the picture. Sorry no pun intended!

Personally I've only ever seen APS-C as a stop gap. Hopefully Pentax will announce a FF DSLR in the foreseeable future or I will probably find myself defecting to Sony when the A900/A850 successors arrive. I really hope I don't have to do that......

The sensor in the 645D is only 30% larger than a 135mm since it is not a true 6cmx4.5cm. Pentax could shrink the body of the 645D down considerably to compete with 135mm. Eventually CMOS is going to make its way into MF cameras and the price of them will drop. Pentax's long term plan my be to shrink the 645D down to something the size of a D3 or even a D700 and eventually compete in the $5,000 body class. I think that is very achievable and give Pentax an advantage over the 135mm bodies on the market.

We will see redesigned FA lenses going to market before we see a 135mm Pentax body. When you see Pentax release a D-FA* 28-75 f/2.8 you know a 135mm is coming. Until then, I doubt we will ever see a 135mm Pentax body.

markac · 12-18-2010, 09:42 PM

I would expect (and hope!) a Pentax FF will come in around the price of a Sony A850 body which is currently around $1800. The Full frame arena needs to be hotted up with an affordable enthusiast/semi pro model, a bit like what Sony has tried (with the A900/A850), but better implemented. The sensor in the 645D probably doesn't doesn't lend itself to that arena as I think it is lacking in video capabilities. Video must for all DSLRs now it seems? Since Pentax appears to be doing quite well with the Sony sensor in the K-5, I suggest it uses the rumored Sony 30 Megapixel FF sensor that will likely debut in the A950. Since the A850 probably won't be replaced, the spot in the the marketplace that it vacates, would be a good notch for Pentax to fill. At the same time becoming the most affordable FF DSLR.

K1D27H · 02-18-2011, 07:08 AM

Chose

-Full-Format: It is not that necessary but I am willing to buy it if it happens.
-Autofocus related: Better autofocus in the dark would be nice. AF assist lamp is good but sometimes it can be rather awkward (with people).
-Lens Roadmap: Kinda expecting 2x-7x or 8x F2.8 (preferably with WR). Wide angle lens with WR would be good as well.

This one is not in the list but I saw someone mentioned it as well. Better Shake Reduction (currently dreaming of the being able to shoot 1+ second shutter speed handheld).

eurostar · 02-18-2011, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

+1 on that. But sadly, unlikely.

And I'm surprised no one brought this up before:

+ modern extension rings that are WR and work with SDM

These are in my opinion much more useful than TCs.

Pentax never did not only AF extension tubes, but neither manual one with A pins. The reason is easy to see: with the introduction of the A line, Pentax macro lenses were done with the FREE technology, meaning the last elements has a fixed distance from the film. If you put an extension ring, the distance become different from the designed one, with degradation of IQ.

juu · 02-20-2011, 09:35 AM

Not really hoping for any of these:
a) WR EVIL system with 4/3 or larger sensor. Include a WR lens covering ~24mm EFL from the start. Joining m43, NEX, NX are fine with me, as is doing a home-grown system, preferably in cooperation with some other company.
b) modular platform for switchable sensors
c) open-source platform for firmware
d) lens roadmap
e) admitting SDM had issues, preferably extending the warranty period for them retro-actively. at least declaring the SDM issues are fixed in new lenses.
f) inexpensive entry-level primes, e.g., 50mm f/1.8 or 85mm f/1.8
g) fix UK pricing to not be totally out of whack with US pricing

maxdao · 02-26-2011, 01:42 PM

People wants FF (does not matter that not much of them really *needs* FF). Give us FF and new lens roadmap - and many of uses will have "cool popular thing" - FF and forget about troubles.

Smeggypants · 02-26-2011, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T

I want to be able to write d p r e v i e w .com without been censored lol!

dpreview

http://www.dpreview.com

Works here? what's the problem?

View Poll Results: What do "we" want?
Flip Screen	149	23.03%
more FPS	54	8.35%
bigger Buffer	203	31.38%
manuel Video controls	170	26.28%
tethering	172	26.58%
Full-Format	262	40.49%
tracking AF	332	51.31%
more AF-Fields	149	23.03%
open-source OS/Plattform	86	13.29%
Lenses >300mm in WR	133	20.56%
Lens Roadmap	229	35.39%
1/250th sync speed	193	29.83%
150-200mm macro	65	10.05%
DA*400/f4	118	18.24%
Dual SDXC-Slots	149	23.03%
P-TTL II with radio	105	16.23%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 647. You may not vote on this poll

02-18-2011, 07:08 AM	#116
K1D27H Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Nakhon Pathom, Thailand Photos: Gallery Posts: 109	Chose -Full-Format: It is not that necessary but I am willing to buy it if it happens. -Autofocus related: Better autofocus in the dark would be nice. AF assist lamp is good but sometimes it can be rather awkward (with people). -Lens Roadmap: Kinda expecting 2x-7x or 8x F2.8 (preferably with WR). Wide angle lens with WR would be good as well. This one is not in the list but I saw someone mentioned it as well. Better Shake Reduction (currently dreaming of the being able to shoot 1+ second shutter speed handheld). Last edited by K1D27H; 02-18-2011 at 07:49 AM.

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12-09-2010, 07:21 PM	#106
J-Rod Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Idaho Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 102	I want a K-30. All the gutz of the K-5 in a K-10/20 body.

12-09-2010, 11:09 PM	#107
cbaytan Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Trabzon/Turkey Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,010	Originally posted by J-Rod I want a K-30. All the gutz of the K-5 in a K-10/20 body. Just wondered what's the superiority over K7 body? Size? SR button?

12-11-2010, 05:54 PM	#108
markac Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Adelaide Posts: 84	Originally posted by J-Rod I want a K-30. All the gutz of the K-5 in a K-10/20 body. I agree that the size of the K20D is good, but I think if Pentax makes another camera around K10/K20 size it should be full frame not APS-C. When Sony introduced the Alpha 900 it was the smallest full frame DSLR available and I think Pentax can go one better and make a full frame DSLR pretty much the same size as the K20D was. If that camera could offer better noise figures than the A900/A850 and decent video capabilities, it would be a real winner for Pentax. If it could undercut the A850's current price that would be even better, and really start to hot things up in the full frame arena. Such a camera should have a mount that isn't crippled so that even early K mount lenses are fully functional and then Pentax can work on some killer new FF lenses. The camera should also come with a 3 inch 3:2 ratio display or even a 3.6" 16:9 screen. It would also be better to use an OLED screen rather than the usual LCD. Sony's rumored new FF sensor would be a good choice for this camera as this will probably be used in the A900 successor too. Pentax now has a class leading APS-C DSLR with the K5 and a great Medium Format DSLR with the 645D, but there is an enormous chasm between those cameras, and it's one that needs to be filled. Whilst many people think APS-C is good enough, a sizeable amount of us would like something more. However that doesn't mean that we want or can afford medium format. If you can't understand why, try looking through a full frame viewfinder and then download some Sony A900/A850 or Canon Eos 5D II samples sometime and maybe you'll get the picture. Sorry no pun intended! Personally I've only ever seen APS-C as a stop gap. Hopefully Pentax will announce a FF DSLR in the foreseeable future or I will probably find myself defecting to Sony when the A900/A850 successors arrive. I really hope I don't have to do that......

12-13-2010, 06:06 AM	#109
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	I want to be able to write d p r e v i e w .com without been censored lol! dpreview

12-15-2010, 03:19 AM	#110
GordonZA Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Planet Earth Photos: Albums Posts: 351	I voted for FPS, bigger buffer, lens roadmap and longer fast lenses... Specifically I would definitely buy: 1. DA* 400mm F2.8 ED (IF) DC WR 2. DA* 500mm F4 ED (IF) DC WR 3. DA* 1.4X ED DC WR converter 4. DA* 2X ED DC WR converter I would sell my body on the street corner to get these products from Pentax... anyone want to see my leg... only US$100 per peek...

12-15-2010, 05:48 AM	#111
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,362	The results suggest we want everything and then some...

12-15-2010, 08:51 AM	#112
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by bdery The results suggest we want everything and then some... Very true! We want it all, we want it now, and we want it for cheaper than anyone else's prices.

12-17-2010, 12:41 AM	#113
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by stanleyk ... and a Pentax version of the Fuji X100. +1 on that. But sadly, unlikely. And I'm surprised no one brought this up before: + modern extension rings that are WR and work with SDM These are in my opinion much more useful than TCs.

12-17-2010, 10:56 PM	#114
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by markac I agree that the size of the K20D is good, but I think if Pentax makes another camera around K10/K20 size it should be full frame not APS-C. When Sony introduced the Alpha 900 it was the smallest full frame DSLR available and I think Pentax can go one better and make a full frame DSLR pretty much the same size as the K20D was. If that camera could offer better noise figures than the A900/A850 and decent video capabilities, it would be a real winner for Pentax. If it could undercut the A850's current price that would be even better, and really start to hot things up in the full frame arena. Such a camera should have a mount that isn't crippled so that even early K mount lenses are fully functional and then Pentax can work on some killer new FF lenses. The camera should also come with a 3 inch 3:2 ratio display or even a 3.6" 16:9 screen. It would also be better to use an OLED screen rather than the usual LCD. Sony's rumored new FF sensor would be a good choice for this camera as this will probably be used in the A900 successor too. Pentax now has a class leading APS-C DSLR with the K5 and a great Medium Format DSLR with the 645D, but there is an enormous chasm between those cameras, and it's one that needs to be filled. Whilst many people think APS-C is good enough, a sizeable amount of us would like something more. However that doesn't mean that we want or can afford medium format. If you can't understand why, try looking through a full frame viewfinder and then download some Sony A900/A850 or Canon Eos 5D II samples sometime and maybe you'll get the picture. Sorry no pun intended! Personally I've only ever seen APS-C as a stop gap. Hopefully Pentax will announce a FF DSLR in the foreseeable future or I will probably find myself defecting to Sony when the A900/A850 successors arrive. I really hope I don't have to do that...... The sensor in the 645D is only 30% larger than a 135mm since it is not a true 6cmx4.5cm. Pentax could shrink the body of the 645D down considerably to compete with 135mm. Eventually CMOS is going to make its way into MF cameras and the price of them will drop. Pentax's long term plan my be to shrink the 645D down to something the size of a D3 or even a D700 and eventually compete in the $5,000 body class. I think that is very achievable and give Pentax an advantage over the 135mm bodies on the market. We will see redesigned FA lenses going to market before we see a 135mm Pentax body. When you see Pentax release a D-FA* 28-75 f/2.8 you know a 135mm is coming. Until then, I doubt we will ever see a 135mm Pentax body.

12-18-2010, 09:42 PM	#115
markac Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Adelaide Posts: 84	I would expect (and hope!) a Pentax FF will come in around the price of a Sony A850 body which is currently around $1800. The Full frame arena needs to be hotted up with an affordable enthusiast/semi pro model, a bit like what Sony has tried (with the A900/A850), but better implemented. The sensor in the 645D probably doesn't doesn't lend itself to that arena as I think it is lacking in video capabilities. Video must for all DSLRs now it seems? Since Pentax appears to be doing quite well with the Sony sensor in the K-5, I suggest it uses the rumored Sony 30 Megapixel FF sensor that will likely debut in the A950. Since the A850 probably won't be replaced, the spot in the the marketplace that it vacates, would be a good notch for Pentax to fill. At the same time becoming the most affordable FF DSLR.

02-18-2011, 09:20 AM	#117
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor +1 on that. But sadly, unlikely. And I'm surprised no one brought this up before: + modern extension rings that are WR and work with SDM These are in my opinion much more useful than TCs. Pentax never did not only AF extension tubes, but neither manual one with A pins. The reason is easy to see: with the introduction of the A line, Pentax macro lenses were done with the FREE technology, meaning the last elements has a fixed distance from the film. If you put an extension ring, the distance become different from the designed one, with degradation of IQ.

02-20-2011, 09:35 AM	#118
juu Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 680	Not really hoping for any of these: a) WR EVIL system with 4/3 or larger sensor. Include a WR lens covering ~24mm EFL from the start. Joining m43, NEX, NX are fine with me, as is doing a home-grown system, preferably in cooperation with some other company. b) modular platform for switchable sensors c) open-source platform for firmware d) lens roadmap e) admitting SDM had issues, preferably extending the warranty period for them retro-actively. at least declaring the SDM issues are fixed in new lenses. f) inexpensive entry-level primes, e.g., 50mm f/1.8 or 85mm f/1.8 g) fix UK pricing to not be totally out of whack with US pricing

02-26-2011, 01:42 PM	#119
maxdao New Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Ternopil Posts: 6	People wants FF (does not matter that not much of them really needs FF). Give us FF and new lens roadmap - and many of uses will have "cool popular thing" - FF and forget about troubles.

02-26-2011, 06:21 PM	#120
Smeggypants Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,536	Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T I want to be able to write d p r e v i e w .com without been censored lol! dpreview http://www.dpreview.com Works here? what's the problem?