K-5 enters Japanese sales rankings

Rite · 10-30-2010, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

at #21 in last weeks BCNranking

Pretty good (and ahead of 60D and D7000)! But I was surprised to see that the first K-r entry (if I didn't miss anything while glancing through the pages) was the white double kit at #71.

EDIT: Just noticed the 60D 18-135 kit is #16.

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K5 is #24 and #40 today. It went DOWN in their ratings.

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http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0008.html

D7000 coming in @ #49

http://bcnranking.jp/item/0008/4960759127822.html

dankoBanana · 10-30-2010, 08:16 AM

I think this is a good place.. bare in mind that there are no reviews by prominent review sites out yet ... when they come, I expect a rise in popularity
a dpreview gold award could help speed things up

Rite · 10-30-2010, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

I agree, after I purchased the new Canon SX30 IS superzoom with 35x optical (24-840mm,35mm eqiv) IS lens with swivel LCD I decided I will get the Canon 60D instead of the K-5 because I wanted manual video control and a choice of 1080p modes (30,25,24fps) along with 720p @60fps.

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The 60D is going for a full $500 LESS than the K5 at B&H. The advantage the K5 has over it of course is the magnesium body and WR. It is not nearly as rugged as the K5, but has very attractive features.

pentax k-5

Canon EOS 60D DSLR Camera 4460B003 - B&H Photo Video

Rite · 10-30-2010, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

I will be using an adapter to use my K-mount and 6x7 lenses on the 60D and will keep my two Pentax DSLRs because I like them also.

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Hmmmm ... that is really smart on your part. Is there a regular K-mount to Canon lens adapter?

LoL

bobmaxja · 10-30-2010, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Rite

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The 60D is going for a full $500 LESS than the K5 at B&H. The advantage the K5 has over it over course is the magnesium body and WR. It is not nearly as rugged as the K5, but has very attractive features.

pentax k-5

Canon EOS 60D DSLR Camera 4460B003 - B&H Photo Video

Rite
Go and buy Canon. If you only look for price go ahead.60D stop nat 12800 ISO

Steelski · 10-30-2010, 04:13 PM

So the K-5 is outselling the D7000 in this place in Japan because its actually price competitive. And Pentax has a very reputable name there.

Rite · 10-30-2010, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by bobmaxja

Rite
Go and buy Canon. If you only look for price go ahead.60D stop nat 12800 ISO

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I DON'T WANT a canon. Or a nikon.

Happy?

Rite · 10-30-2010, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Steelski

So the K-5 is outselling the D7000 in this place in Japan because its actually price competitive. And Pentax has a very reputable name there.

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The K5 (BODY ONLY) is holding it's own in the top 25.

And yes, Japanese consumers are arguably the most electronic-savvy in the world.

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brecklundin · 10-30-2010, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Steelski

So the K-5 is outselling the D7000 in this place in Japan because its actually price competitive. And Pentax has a very reputable name there.

I think that is the point a lot of us here in the US are trying to make about the K5 pricing...it is, in fact NOT competitive with other options. Still if the firmware does improve things it might, and only might become competitive with the 7D but never will it be quite there due to the AF tracking and accuracy. Depending on the individual that may or may not matter.

And of course there is the D7000 for $400 less...price them about the same and the K-5 is probably the better camera. Buy jumping to the $1600 price point, Hoya is saying the K-5 is a level above the D7000 and on par with the 7D which, well, remains to be seen under real use but to the photographic community in general that is going to be a very hard sell.

Only time will tell and I have time to wait.

kittykat46 · 10-31-2010, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by brecklundin

I think that is the point a lot of us here in the US are trying to make about the K5 pricing...it is, in fact NOT competitive with other options. Still if the firmware does improve things it might, and only might become competitive with the 7D but never will it be quite there due to the AF tracking and accuracy. Depending on the individual that may or may not matter.

And of course there is the D7000 for $400 less...price them about the same and the K-5 is probably the better camera. Buy jumping to the $1600 price point, Hoya is saying the K-5 is a level above the D7000 and on par with the 7D which, well, remains to be seen under real use but to the photographic community in general that is going to be a very hard sell.

Only time will tell and I have time to wait.

In many markets outside of the US, the K-5 is priced head to head with the D7000.
Still too early to make solid comparisons, but just for me, Image Quality is No.1 because the camera is basically an imaging device.
The humble K-X already matches the 7D in IQ - Dynamic Range and High-ISO performance. I won't be surprised at all if the K-5 easily surpasses the 7D.

For others, perhaps Tethering is a deal breaker ? Sorry, I don't think we'll see that from Pentax, not from this generation anyway. Pentax/Hoya just isn't focused on the serious studio user.
No tethering, wireless flash and multiple flash control are just not competitive with Canon/Nikon.

Pentax has a new AF system, we'll see how much better is the improvement.
"never will it be quite there due to the AF tracking and accuracy." may not be quite the case any more.

I don't expect the K-5 to ever sell anywhere near the volumes of the D7000 and the 7D. But that's more the outcome of the brand name recognition of Nikon/Canon and the sheer power of their distribution system.

Even my neighbourhood camera store (not one of the big city outlets) carries Nikon and Canon dSLRs. They've never heard of Pentax.

uchinakuri · 10-31-2010, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by Steelski

So the K-5 is outselling the D7000 in this place in Japan because its actually price competitive. And Pentax has a very reputable name there.

I'm not sure how this ranking works, but the K-5 has been out in Japan for several weeks now, whereas the D7000 only came out 3 days ago. I figure this probably is why the D7000 is only just starting to pick up.

Mohawk · 10-31-2010, 03:32 AM

Originally posted by kittykat46

... wireless flash and multiple flash control are just not competitive with Canon/Nikon.

Exactly how is the Pentax wireless system not competitive with CaNikon? Have you even tried a 4-flash wireless set up with af540Fgz/af360Fgz and compared them with what Canon/Nikon can do?

(Let's not go into CLS - it's pretty gimmicky).

Rite · 10-31-2010, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by brecklundin

I think that is the point a lot of us here in the US are trying to make about the K5 pricing...it is, in fact NOT competitive with other options. Still if the firmware does improve things it might, and only might become competitive with the 7D but never will it be quite there due to the AF tracking and accuracy. Depending on the individual that may or may not matter.

And of course there is the D7000 for $400 less...price them about the same and the K-5 is probably the better camera. Buy jumping to the $1600 price point, Hoya is saying the K-5 is a level above the D7000 and on par with the 7D which, well, remains to be seen under real use but to the photographic community in general that is going to be a very hard sell.

Only time will tell and I have time to wait.

Originally posted by kittykat46

In many markets outside of the US, the K-5 is priced head to head with the D7000.
Still too early to make solid comparisons, but just for me, Image Quality is No.1 because the camera is basically an imaging device.
The humble K-X already matches the 7D in IQ - Dynamic Range and High-ISO performance. I won't be surprised at all if the K-5 easily surpasses the 7D.

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#39, 40, and 41, are all SPOT ON.

This is what I've been saying for the last several weeks here: "The K5 priced itself out of the competitive market."

The camera itself came at good timing and with an excellent feature set, but as others have pointed out, Pentax was tweaking it right up to the MINUTE they let it out the door. (e.g., Did Pentax release the K5 too soon?)

Rite · 10-31-2010, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by Mohawk

Have you even tried a 4-flash wireless set up with af540Fgz/af360Fgz and compared them with what Canon/Nikon can do?

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Have you?

Mohawk · 10-31-2010, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by Rite

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Have you?

By not even answering my question I can assume that you don't have a clue.

And yes I use 2x360 + 2x540 in a wireless setup. Works consistently well, is easy to use, and gives good, clean light.

Try it some time.

10-30-2010, 01:11 PM	#33
Rite Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 337	Originally posted by jogiba I agree, after I purchased the new Canon SX30 IS superzoom with 35x optical (24-840mm,35mm eqiv) IS lens with swivel LCD I decided I will get the Canon 60D instead of the K-5 because I wanted manual video control and a choice of 1080p modes (30,25,24fps) along with 720p @60fps. ============================ The 60D is going for a full $500 LESS than the K5 at B&H. The advantage the K5 has over it of course is the magnesium body and WR. It is not nearly as rugged as the K5, but has very attractive features. pentax k-5 Canon EOS 60D DSLR Camera 4460B003 - B&H Photo Video Last edited by Rite; 10-30-2010 at 06:32 PM.

10-31-2010, 02:21 AM	#40
kittykat46 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 923	Originally posted by brecklundin I think that is the point a lot of us here in the US are trying to make about the K5 pricing...it is, in fact NOT competitive with other options. Still if the firmware does improve things it might, and only might become competitive with the 7D but never will it be quite there due to the AF tracking and accuracy. Depending on the individual that may or may not matter. And of course there is the D7000 for $400 less...price them about the same and the K-5 is probably the better camera. Buy jumping to the $1600 price point, Hoya is saying the K-5 is a level above the D7000 and on par with the 7D which, well, remains to be seen under real use but to the photographic community in general that is going to be a very hard sell. Only time will tell and I have time to wait. In many markets outside of the US, the K-5 is priced head to head with the D7000. Still too early to make solid comparisons, but just for me, Image Quality is No.1 because the camera is basically an imaging device. The humble K-X already matches the 7D in IQ - Dynamic Range and High-ISO performance. I won't be surprised at all if the K-5 easily surpasses the 7D. For others, perhaps Tethering is a deal breaker ? Sorry, I don't think we'll see that from Pentax, not from this generation anyway. Pentax/Hoya just isn't focused on the serious studio user. No tethering, wireless flash and multiple flash control are just not competitive with Canon/Nikon. Pentax has a new AF system, we'll see how much better is the improvement. "never will it be quite there due to the AF tracking and accuracy." may not be quite the case any more. I don't expect the K-5 to ever sell anywhere near the volumes of the D7000 and the 7D. But that's more the outcome of the brand name recognition of Nikon/Canon and the sheer power of their distribution system. Even my neighbourhood camera store (not one of the big city outlets) carries Nikon and Canon dSLRs. They've never heard of Pentax. Last edited by kittykat46; 10-31-2010 at 02:28 AM.

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10-30-2010, 07:55 AM	#31
Rite Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 337	Originally posted by gazonk at #21 in last weeks BCNranking Pretty good (and ahead of 60D and D7000)! But I was surprised to see that the first K-r entry (if I didn't miss anything while glancing through the pages) was the white double kit at #71. EDIT: Just noticed the 60D 18-135 kit is #16. ============================= K5 is #24 and #40 today. It went DOWN in their ratings. ????????????????BCN????????? http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0008.html D7000 coming in @ #49 http://bcnranking.jp/item/0008/4960759127822.html

10-30-2010, 08:16 AM	#32
dankoBanana Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Zagreb, Croatia Posts: 533	I think this is a good place.. bare in mind that there are no reviews by prominent review sites out yet ... when they come, I expect a rise in popularity a dpreview gold award could help speed things up

10-30-2010, 01:14 PM	#34
Rite Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 337	Originally posted by jogiba I will be using an adapter to use my K-mount and 6x7 lenses on the 60D and will keep my two Pentax DSLRs because I like them also. ================================ Hmmmm ... that is really smart on your part. Is there a regular K-mount to Canon lens adapter? LoL

10-30-2010, 01:41 PM	#35
bobmaxja Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,171	Originally posted by Rite ============================ The 60D is going for a full $500 LESS than the K5 at B&H. The advantage the K5 has over it over course is the magnesium body and WR. It is not nearly as rugged as the K5, but has very attractive features. pentax k-5 Canon EOS 60D DSLR Camera 4460B003 - B&H Photo Video Rite Go and buy Canon. If you only look for price go ahead.60D stop nat 12800 ISO

10-30-2010, 04:13 PM	#36
Steelski Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Varna Posts: 470	So the K-5 is outselling the D7000 in this place in Japan because its actually price competitive. And Pentax has a very reputable name there.

10-30-2010, 06:33 PM	#37
Rite Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 337	Originally posted by bobmaxja Rite Go and buy Canon. If you only look for price go ahead.60D stop nat 12800 ISO ============================== I DON'T WANT a canon. Or a nikon. Happy?

10-30-2010, 06:48 PM	#38
Rite Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 337	Originally posted by Steelski So the K-5 is outselling the D7000 in this place in Japan because its actually price competitive. And Pentax has a very reputable name there. ============================= The K5 (BODY ONLY) is holding it's own in the top 25. And yes, Japanese consumers are arguably the most electronic-savvy in the world. ????????????????BCN?????????

10-30-2010, 09:41 PM	#39
brecklundin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,674	Originally posted by Steelski So the K-5 is outselling the D7000 in this place in Japan because its actually price competitive. And Pentax has a very reputable name there. I think that is the point a lot of us here in the US are trying to make about the K5 pricing...it is, in fact NOT competitive with other options. Still if the firmware does improve things it might, and only might become competitive with the 7D but never will it be quite there due to the AF tracking and accuracy. Depending on the individual that may or may not matter. And of course there is the D7000 for $400 less...price them about the same and the K-5 is probably the better camera. Buy jumping to the $1600 price point, Hoya is saying the K-5 is a level above the D7000 and on par with the 7D which, well, remains to be seen under real use but to the photographic community in general that is going to be a very hard sell. Only time will tell and I have time to wait.

10-31-2010, 03:03 AM	#41
uchinakuri Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 57	Originally posted by Steelski So the K-5 is outselling the D7000 in this place in Japan because its actually price competitive. And Pentax has a very reputable name there. I'm not sure how this ranking works, but the K-5 has been out in Japan for several weeks now, whereas the D7000 only came out 3 days ago. I figure this probably is why the D7000 is only just starting to pick up.

10-31-2010, 03:32 AM	#42
Mohawk Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 109	Originally posted by kittykat46 ... wireless flash and multiple flash control are just not competitive with Canon/Nikon. Exactly how is the Pentax wireless system not competitive with CaNikon? Have you even tried a 4-flash wireless set up with af540Fgz/af360Fgz and compared them with what Canon/Nikon can do? (Let's not go into CLS - it's pretty gimmicky).

10-31-2010, 03:40 AM	#43
Rite Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 337	Originally posted by brecklundin I think that is the point a lot of us here in the US are trying to make about the K5 pricing...it is, in fact NOT competitive with other options. Still if the firmware does improve things it might, and only might become competitive with the 7D but never will it be quite there due to the AF tracking and accuracy. Depending on the individual that may or may not matter. And of course there is the D7000 for $400 less...price them about the same and the K-5 is probably the better camera. Buy jumping to the $1600 price point, Hoya is saying the K-5 is a level above the D7000 and on par with the 7D which, well, remains to be seen under real use but to the photographic community in general that is going to be a very hard sell. Only time will tell and I have time to wait. Originally posted by kittykat46 In many markets outside of the US, the K-5 is priced head to head with the D7000. Still too early to make solid comparisons, but just for me, Image Quality is No.1 because the camera is basically an imaging device. The humble K-X already matches the 7D in IQ - Dynamic Range and High-ISO performance. I won't be surprised at all if the K-5 easily surpasses the 7D. ==================================== #39, 40, and 41, are all SPOT ON. This is what I've been saying for the last several weeks here: *"The K5 priced itself out of the competitive market."* The camera itself came at good timing and with an excellent feature set, but as others have pointed out, Pentax was tweaking it right up to the MINUTE they let it out the door. (e.g., Did Pentax release the K5 too soon?)

10-31-2010, 03:43 AM	#44
Rite Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 337	Originally posted by Mohawk Have you even tried a 4-flash wireless set up with af540Fgz/af360Fgz and compared them with what Canon/Nikon can do? =================================== Have you?

10-31-2010, 04:13 AM	#45
Mohawk Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 109	Originally posted by Rite =================================== Have you? By not even answering my question I can assume that you don't have a clue. And yes I use 2x360 + 2x540 in a wireless setup. Works consistently well, is easy to use, and gives good, clean light. Try it some time.