Neos choose the K-5 & K-X DSLR of 2010

bobmaxja · 11-10-2010, 02:19 PM

Two of the 3 position for DSLR are winner of 2010 of Neos Best Digital Camera

This web site is pretty good at comparing and giving advice to buyer of any kind of Digital Camera

K-X and K-R ( Win the entry level
K-5 The advanced level

I believe we will see a lot more prize like this in the future

Best Digital Cameras of 2010 | Neocamera

causey · 11-10-2010, 02:35 PM

Well, the site belongs to a PF member...

bobmaxja · 11-10-2010, 02:42 PM

I was not aware!!

rawr · 11-10-2010, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by causey

Well, the site belongs to a PF member...

Many PF forum members work for camera review sites, including some of the big camera review sites.

It does not automatically make them biased towards Pentax.

nambawan · 11-10-2010, 03:48 PM

Strange that the k-x won for both 2009 and 2010...

_lyan_ · 11-10-2010, 04:31 PM

Not so strange... it was a best-buy among entry level dslrs in 2009 and still remains a best buy nowadays

causey · 11-10-2010, 04:33 PM

As the best buy, it's even better than last year

rawr · 11-10-2010, 06:09 PM

I like their approach - not only did they have the K-x as best for 2009 and 2010, they also kept the FinePix F200EXR there as the best buy ultra-compact point and shoot for both 2009 and 2010 too: "No new ultra-compact was able to improve in terms of image quality over last year's winner." Sometimes newest isn't always best.

As I have both the K-x and the F200EXR, I think this reviewer is very sensible.

**Rondec** · 11-10-2010, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by rawr

I like their approach - not only did they have the K-x as best for 2009 and 2010, they also kept the FinePix F200EXR there as the best buy ultra-compact point and shoot for both 2009 and 2010 too: "No new ultra-compact was able to improve in terms of image quality over last year's winner." Sometimes newest isn't always best.

As I have both the K-x and the F200EXR, I think this reviewer is very sensible.

Isn't that true. We see it all the time though. Camera companies add megapixels to already over crowded sensors and see decline in image quality. There should be a rule that products can't be released unless they are a real improvement over the previous product.

Tringle WP · 11-11-2010, 04:06 AM

I've just had a look at this, an in the 'things you might not like' section it mentioned that the screen was flush with the left side of the camera.

So I had look at some pictures of the back - I'd never seen a K7 so assume it is the same. All I can say is what have they done - where have all the controls that were on the back of a K20D gone? Do they think that photographers no longer have thumbs on their left hands?

If they are now buried in a menu somewhere then that makes the ergonomics as bad a as a Canon.

One of the joys of K20D ergonomics is that most of the need to have controls were accessible with one button or switch. Now they're not. YUK, quite frankly. And to think I was going to buy one.

**NaClH2O** · 11-11-2010, 05:30 AM

@ Tringle WP, if you had looked a little closer you would have seen that all the buttons on the left side of the K20D that were displaced are still on the back of the camera. The only button no longer there is the toggle switch that turns off the SR. And that issue has been discussed to death.

NaCl(some like it, some not, but nobody seems to be neurtral on it)H2O

**Rondec** · 11-11-2010, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by Tringle WP

I've just had a look at this, an in the 'things you might not like' section it mentioned that the screen was flush with the left side of the camera.

So I had look at some pictures of the back - I'd never seen a K7 so assume it is the same. All I can say is what have they done - where have all the controls that were on the back of a K20D gone? Do they think that photographers no longer have thumbs on their left hands?

If they are now buried in a menu somewhere then that makes the ergonomics as bad a as a Canon.

One of the joys of K20D ergonomics is that most of the need to have controls were accessible with one button or switch. Now they're not. YUK, quite frankly. And to think I was going to buy one.

Actually, I find that things are much easier to get to with the K7 than with the K5. As Salty says, the only button that really went away is the SR switch (Ok by me, I never used it much anyway). Menus are actually much, much easier to navigate. There is a dedicated iso button (OK worked Ok before, but I forgot about it half the time and had to use the function key).

The K20's menus are pretty bad. Pages to scroll through before you find the thing you are looking for. The only thing that is tougher to get to on the K7 is bracketing, but my understanding on the K5 is that the RAW button is now assignable to that feature.

**Michaelina2** · 11-11-2010, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by NaClH2O

@ Tringle WP, if you had looked a little closer you would have seen that all the buttons on the left side of the K20D that were displaced are still on the back of the camera. The only button no longer there is the toggle switch that turns off the SR. And that issue has been discussed to death.

NaCl(some like it, some not, but nobody seems to be neurtral on it)H2O

In addition, @ Tringle WP, as I understand the button/function layout, it's arranged to allow the photographer to fine tune the camera to fit the scene with one's thumb/forefinger while observing the subject through the view finder. Perfectly sensible concept, would you not agree?

Cheers...

rawr · 11-11-2010, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by Michaelina2

it's arranged to allow the photographer to fine tune the camera to fit the scene with one's thumb/forefinger

Indeed. The K-x has a similar layout to the K-5 and I can completely operate the K-x with one hand. With my K200D, which has a similar rear layout to the K20D, it's a 2 hand operation to do most things.

Tringle WP · 11-11-2010, 07:53 AM

All right, maybe a slight overreaction - ahem, but I use the bracketing button a lot and the IS on/off switch quite a lot, and I always hold my cameras,even the P+S, with two hands.

I'll got to the local (well 40 miles away) camera store in due course and have a play.

No, you can't use the K5 layout to make exposure compensation adjustments with the camera to your eye - the ex compensation button is on the top plate behind the shutter button making it all but impossible to dial in some compensation without holding it in both hands and away from your face. On the K10/20D it's a thumb press and a turn of the front dial. Ditto bracketing. Barcketing buried in a menu somewhere? You've got to be joking, surely.

The menu system will have to be really whizzo to make up for these serious shortcomings.

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rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	I like their approach - not only did they have the K-x as best for 2009 and 2010, they also kept the FinePix F200EXR there as the best buy ultra-compact point and shoot for both 2009 and 2010 too: "No new ultra-compact was able to improve in terms of image quality over last year's winner." Sometimes newest isn't always best. As I have both the K-x and the F200EXR, I think this reviewer is very sensible.

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	Originally posted by rawr I like their approach - not only did they have the K-x as best for 2009 and 2010, they also kept the FinePix F200EXR there as the best buy ultra-compact point and shoot for both 2009 and 2010 too: "No new ultra-compact was able to improve in terms of image quality over last year's winner." Sometimes newest isn't always best. As I have both the K-x and the F200EXR, I think this reviewer is very sensible. Isn't that true. We see it all the time though. Camera companies add megapixels to already over crowded sensors and see decline in image quality. There should be a rule that products can't be released unless they are a real improvement over the previous product.

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Tringle WP Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bergerac, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 65	I've just had a look at this, an in the 'things you might not like' section it mentioned that the screen was flush with the left side of the camera. So I had look at some pictures of the back - I'd never seen a K7 so assume it is the same. All I can say is what have they done - where have all the controls that were on the back of a K20D gone? Do they think that photographers no longer have thumbs on their left hands? If they are now buried in a menu somewhere then that makes the ergonomics as bad a as a Canon. One of the joys of K20D ergonomics is that most of the need to have controls were accessible with one button or switch. Now they're not. YUK, quite frankly. And to think I was going to buy one.

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NaClH2O Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bronx NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,631	@ Tringle WP, if you had looked a little closer you would have seen that all the buttons on the left side of the K20D that were displaced are still on the back of the camera. The only button no longer there is the toggle switch that turns off the SR. And that issue has been discussed to death. NaCl(some like it, some not, but nobody seems to be neurtral on it)H2O

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	Originally posted by Tringle WP I've just had a look at this, an in the 'things you might not like' section it mentioned that the screen was flush with the left side of the camera. So I had look at some pictures of the back - I'd never seen a K7 so assume it is the same. All I can say is what have they done - where have all the controls that were on the back of a K20D gone? Do they think that photographers no longer have thumbs on their left hands? If they are now buried in a menu somewhere then that makes the ergonomics as bad a as a Canon. One of the joys of K20D ergonomics is that most of the need to have controls were accessible with one button or switch. Now they're not. YUK, quite frankly. And to think I was going to buy one. Actually, I find that things are much easier to get to with the K7 than with the K5. As Salty says, the only button that really went away is the SR switch (Ok by me, I never used it much anyway). Menus are actually much, much easier to navigate. There is a dedicated iso button (OK worked Ok before, but I forgot about it half the time and had to use the function key). The K20's menus are pretty bad. Pages to scroll through before you find the thing you are looking for. The only thing that is tougher to get to on the K7 is bracketing, but my understanding on the K5 is that the RAW button is now assignable to that feature.

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Michaelina2 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SE Michigan USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,301	Originally posted by NaClH2O @ Tringle WP, if you had looked a little closer you would have seen that all the buttons on the left side of the K20D that were displaced are still on the back of the camera. The only button no longer there is the toggle switch that turns off the SR. And that issue has been discussed to death. NaCl(some like it, some not, but nobody seems to be neurtral on it)H2O In addition, @ Tringle WP, as I understand the button/function layout, it's arranged to allow the photographer to fine tune the camera to fit the scene with one's thumb/forefinger while observing the subject through the view finder. Perfectly sensible concept, would you not agree? Cheers...

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rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Michaelina2 it's arranged to allow the photographer to fine tune the camera to fit the scene with one's thumb/forefinger Indeed. The K-x has a similar layout to the K-5 and I can completely operate the K-x with one hand. With my K200D, which has a similar rear layout to the K20D, it's a 2 hand operation to do most things.

11-11-2010, 07:53 AM	#15
Tringle WP Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bergerac, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 65	All right, maybe a slight overreaction - ahem, but I use the bracketing button a lot and the IS on/off switch quite a lot, and I always hold my cameras,even the P+S, with two hands. I'll got to the local (well 40 miles away) camera store in due course and have a play. No, you can't use the K5 layout to make exposure compensation adjustments with the camera to your eye - the ex compensation button is on the top plate behind the shutter button making it all but impossible to dial in some compensation without holding it in both hands and away from your face. On the K10/20D it's a thumb press and a turn of the front dial. Ditto bracketing. Barcketing buried in a menu somewhere? You've got to be joking, surely. The menu system will have to be really whizzo to make up for these serious shortcomings.