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12-11-2010, 06:40 PM   #31
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Why was the alexeyga post cited 5 times?

The cover title doesn't apply to D7000 and 60D only. As I mentioned in the OP, the K-5 scores higher than D300s and 7D too. And that's about all money can buy in APSC land.

So, alexeyga may have assumed a wrong comparison which however, hasn't been made. Price plays no role in this and IMHO shouldn't be discussed. Oly E5 was most expensive snyway...

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If you enable all cookies (otherwise I couldn't get the menus to operate in IE on the Medium privacy level, or in FF) and then click on Kameras, SLR-Kameras, you'll get (89 tested so far – here's the top ones):

1. Nikon D3s 77.5
2. Canon 5D II 77
3. Hasselblad H4D-40 | Leica S2 76.5
4. Nikon D3x 75
5. Pentax K-5 74
6. Canon 1Ds III | Nikon D3 | Nikon D700 73.5
7. Canon 1D IV | Nikon D300 | Olympus E-5 | Nikon D300s 73
8. Nikon D90 71.5
9. Fujifilm S5 Pro 71
10. Canon 7D 70.5
11. Canon 1D III | Canon 50D | Canon 550D | Canon 60D | Nikon D7000 69.5
12. Leica M9 | Sony Alpha 580 66.5
13. Canon 500D 66
14. Pentax K-x | Sony Alpha 500 65.5
15. Pentax K-7 65
16. Nikon D3100 | Panasonic DMC-G2 | Sony SLT-A55 |Sony NEX-3 64.5
17. Canon 40D 64


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12-12-2010, 12:02 AM   #33
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QuoteOriginally posted by alexeyga Quote
Pentax camera that is more expensive than D300s and 7d beats even cheaper Canon and Nikon models.... bravo! bravo!

Sorry guys, this is pathetic... Sad thing is that neither Canon or Nikon does really give a sh@t...

Now... back to our spotted sensors... when the Fu@K will Pentax issue a fix?!!!!!

Current body only prices in Australia at my (and most's) preferred online retailer:

60D: $1329
K5: $1629
D7000: $1685
7D: $1939
D300s: $2179

Can't do a local store comparison because the ones in my area only stock Canon and Nikon, and only the cheaper models if that.

As for your sensor fix problem, seeing as you seem so dissapointed, why don't you just sell your K-5? If prices are so high in your area you might be able to get enough cash selling it second hand to be able to afford a brand new 7D or D300s.
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
Tomorrow (Saturday) German magazine ColorFoto issue 2011/01 will be in news stands.

Their cover story is entitled:
"Tested: Pentax K-5 beats Canon & Nikon"
I know of at least one Nikon fanboy on YouTube who strongly disagrees ... https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/125468-nikonian-sales-pe...5-perhaps.html ... who you gunna believe? He's got this onto YouTube ya know.

Ridiculousness aside, this is pretty fantasmagorical news. I obviously love my K-5 coming from the K10D and fully understand its strengths and weaknesses, but I really didn't expect to see this. Pretty 'killer' to see.

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nice to see Pentax get recognition but why do the Canon and Nikons get to be on the cover and Oly that did better does not?
not nice
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In France, last week, we could buy the K5 around 850 with cashback include(999), in a shop called CDiscount. They have no more K5 in stock now...
Now, the price is around 1100, it makes 950 with the cashback, not so bad, no ?
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nice to see Pentax get recognition but why do the Canon and Nikons get to be on the cover and Oly that did better does not?
not nice
I'm sure it's on the cover too. But because second, it must be hidden behind the K-5

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Two Pentax models on the magazine cover at the same time. Nice!

In Finland prices for K-5 and D7000 are the same. D60 is like 100€ or bit more cheaper. 7D is 200€ more expensive.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pablom Quote
nice to see Pentax get recognition but why do the Canon and Nikons get to be on the cover and Oly that did better does not?
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
I'm sure it's on the cover too. But because second, it must be hidden behind the K-5
Olympus certainly does very competent cameras, but their latest expert camera is just an update of an already outdated cam and they have clearly stated that their effort is now on EVIL cameras.

Plus Olympus is bleeding money at the moment, as Panasonic takes the lion's share of EVIL.

I feel very sorry for Olympus fans, as this company have a great history. But I wouldn't invest in 4/3 at this time, and I would certainly advice people not to. 4/3 cameras have lost any adge against APSC on size, price, or Mpx.
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I feel very sorry for Olympus fans, as this company have a great history. But I wouldn't invest in 4/3 at this time, and I would certainly advice people not to. 4/3 cameras have lost any adge against APSC on size, price, or Mpx.
Theoretically, their mount was large enough for APSC. And many of their lenses might have worked on APSC well enough. And they could have made new lenses.

I wonder what would have happened if Olympus started to release APSC cameras too. Of course, now it's too late.

The same reasoning applies to Pentax too, of course. To me, K-5 is Pentax' E-3.


I fear that the battle for electronic only / no mechanics / outsourced optics system cameras (aka mirrorless or EVIL) is already won by the giants, i.e., Panasonic, Sony, Samsung. We will see these cameras for $199 soon enough.

IMHO, the remaining traditional makers (Nikon, Pentax, Canon, Leica) will have to rely on more sophisticated cameras which currently includes mechanics. Sony got the choice and it seems they cannot decide, even try something in between (SLT).

After you buy the CPU, the sensor with global electronic shutter and the EVF OLED, there isn't enough added value left for camera makers. It's just the housing (cabinet) with little relevance to value. Esp. if others can buy in the lenses as well. That's one reason for lens-based IS in this segment: you can buy it in with the lens, no own investment required. And at $199, that's crucial.

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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
Theoretically, their mount was large enough for APSC. And many of their lenses might have worked on APSC well enough. And they could have made new lenses.

I wonder what would have happened if Olympus started to release APSC cameras too. Of course, now it's too late.

The same reasoning applies to Pentax too, of course. To me, K-5 is Pentax' E-3.


I fear that the battle for electronic only / no mechanics / outsourced optics system cameras (aka mirrorless or EVIL) is already won by the giants, i.e., Panasonic, Sony, Samsung. We will see these cameras for $199 soon enough.

IMHO, the remaining traditional makers (Nikon, Pentax, Canon, Leica) will have to rely on more sophisticated cameras which currently includes mechanics. Sony got the choice and it seems they cannot decide, even try something in between (SLT).

After you buy the CPU, the sensor with global electronic shutter and the EVF OLED, there isn't enough added value left for camera makers. It's just the housing (cabinet) with little relevance to value. Esp. if others can buy in the lenses as well. That's one reason for lens-based IS in this segment: you can buy it in with the lens, no own investment required. And at $199, that's crucial.
Well, the E3 was a great camera in its time, but also... too big. While you may be right for the K5 being kind of Pentax golden age for APSC SLR cameras, the path that Pentax chose makes a lot of sense on the long term. there's still a lot of size/weight saving possible even with a mirror assembly.

I agree that the big electronics may take the Lion share in tomorrow market, but there will be still around a hardcore of people still willing to pay a premium for an SLR camera. Just like people today pay a premium for Leica.

Plus, good optics will never be cheap. A camera needs a decently precise mecanical assembly and this will never come cheap, unless this is cheaply made

But you're right, at some point Panasonic, Samsung and co will release 199 bodies and the traditional camera makers will pushed to the margins. In that way, Pentax's current hold up on MF market may be a great move.
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K5 vs D7000

I played with a K5 and a D7000 in a store yesterday, and I was surprised by how different the two bodies seemed. The D7000 is noticeably heavier, but there's a lot of rubber on grip, which gives it a reassuring tactile feel. The K5 is noticeably lighter, and harder -- there's more plastic than rubber in the hand. The grip on the K5 is beautifully sculpted though, and instantly inspires confidence.

On the other hand, the K5 didn't seem to focus anywhere nearly as quickly as the D7000. The D7000 acquired focus pretty much instantly, whereas the K5 paused noticeably before locking on. Mind you, I was in a hurry, and didn't confirm that the two bodies had comparable AF settings.
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Well, the K-5 is now cheaper in the US ($1383 at Amazon) than the 7D (by more than $200) and the D300s (by almost $70). Still not quite as cheap as the D7000, but the gap has shrunk to less than $200.

Maybe people will stop bringing up price as an argument against the K-5?

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While we're at it and seeing you are du Var. What would be a good location to buy Pentax in 83 or 06?

(sorry for OT)
Muller Photo is not bad either.
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