Originally posted by thibs The DA* are not Tokina zooms rebadged.
This is Pentax which sold the design to Tokina. And BTW if the 100 macro is Tokina design, the 50 is a Pentax design AFAIR.
I dunno about the 35 Limited Macro.
Most of the Tokina/Pentax lenses (until now) are Pentax designed, not Tokina designed.
The fact that anyone may be annoyed by the fact that other brands users get the "same lens" (which is not correct btw, there are enough differences) is very understandable.
But the FUD stating that Pentax only reabdged lenses from Tokina is either stupidity or problem in the ability of reading what people int the know write.
I didn't say that they rebadged Tokina lenses. I just fail to see why you are so confident that Pentax alone designed them, just because a couple of people supposedly "in the know" (and of whom most of us have never heard) believe it to be true... If my lack of total blind faith in Pentax is stupidity then so be it.
As for the Samsung deal... of course they are Pentaxes. This is universally accepted and repeatedly stated by many, many, many sources, as well as being quite clearly noticeable simply by looking at the bodies and lenses. This is not the same as the Pentax/Tokina situation.
Originally posted by thibs Now if you prefer K mount to be doomed, then yes, maybe Pentax should not share K mount or design with anybody. Then, for sure, Hoya will not consider it financially interesting.
You chose, but do not come later complaining. Pentax HAS to sell low-end lenses as the rebadged Tamron. If you think that's stupid, then you really not want Pentax having time/money to design other DA*/Limited lenses. That'd be very stupid but of course, that's just my opinion.
I never said it was stupid. Look back at my earlier posts in this thread; I made it quite clear that
if this lens significantly helps Pentax sales then of course it will be a good thing. And please would you stop this ridiculous business of claiming that I want Pentax to be doomed. That is absolutely the last thing I want. But on the other hand, I am still asking why this lower-end third-party lens is the
only new lens we are seeing; no high-end ones, and the ones we were previously promised have had their proposed release dates removed. But if Hoya/Pentax are planning to continue selling
only their current bodies with
only the current lens line-up, and if the decision of whether or not to keep the company alive is taken based on that, then yes that is spectacularly stupid. It seems quite clear to me that in order to be considered "interesting" in this market - which is now one of consumer 'gadgets' as much as anything - you have to keep coming up with new products; you have to be seen to be doing something. I doubt that the announcement of an 18-250
and nothing else will draw that many people towards Pentax... but hey, I'm not "in the know"