K20d...

wll · 10-09-2007, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by and

I just hope their next body will be at a higher level than the k10D. The k10d is superb as it is, at its low pricepoint and its not an old model either, I dont see the point in upgrading it already 1 year after the release. I hope they will follow what they said in that old interview, that a higher end model will be introduced. A Pentax k1d with built in vertical grip, 100% vf and lots of goodies at around 1700-2000 USD. I would love to see what kinda stuff they would put in that model, given the much higher price over the k10d.

I think they should expand their body lineup rather than just upgrading the existing ones

If Pentax shows us its new line up in Jan, they best be MAJOR changes, upgrades do not cut it. As stated in past forums, Pentax said they made a mistake (sort of) by having a small upgrades, they said new camera bodies and major changes were the way of their future.

wll

Edvinas · 10-09-2007, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by wll

If Pentax shows us its new line up in Jan, they best be MAJOR changes, upgrades do not cut it. As stated in past forums, Pentax said they made a mistake (sort of) by having a small upgrades, they said new camera bodies and major changes were the way of their future.

Yep. And therefore they released K100D Super

thibs · 10-11-2007, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by blende8

Foveon was a rumour from this year's PMA.
Several people reported this in newsgroups.
Don't know the source though.

Newsgroups? What newsgroups? I'd like to read more on that...

Richard Day · 10-12-2007, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by blende8

Foveon was a rumour from this year's PMA.
Several people reported this in newsgroups.
Don't know the source though.

I cannot say what the sensor will be, but I can say what it won't be!

It's definitely NOT a Foveon!

and · 10-12-2007, 01:01 AM

I guess that figures, since foveon would have to come up with a very different, new sensor for that to work, a bigger one too. And I guess if they were capable of making bigger sensors then Sigma would already be using them. I still like the idea behind their technology though.. I guess someone might copy them sooner or later.

thibs · 10-12-2007, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by Richard Day

I cannot say what the sensor will be, but I can say what it won't be!

It's definitely NOT a Foveon!

Mmm Richard, is it going to be a Sony sensor ?

lol101 · 10-12-2007, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Mmm Richard, is it going to be a Sony sensor ?

Or could it be a Kodak sensor ?

Or a Fuji?

Or a Samsung?

(Since you're allowed to say what it's not.... we should corner it at some point

)

and · 10-12-2007, 02:45 AM

Well of course everything is pointing at sony. If its not going to be sony then there are not that many viable options, and now foveon is out too. I dont see any way canon will sell theirs, I dont know if fuji is as protective, but that sensor is basically what seperates them so I guess not.

And then the remaining makers would be a bit of a gamble since they dont make sensors for any current dslrs.

benjikan · 10-12-2007, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by wll

If Pentax shows us its new line up in Jan, they best be MAJOR changes, upgrades do not cut it. As stated in past forums, Pentax said they made a mistake (sort of) by having a small upgrades, they said new camera bodies and major changes were the way of their future.

wll

Will..The word IS MAJOR with a capital "M"

benjikan · 10-12-2007, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by Richard Day

I cannot say what the sensor will be, but I can say what it won't be!

It's definitely NOT a Foveon!

Nope..It "A'INT" a FOVEON....

Kunzite · 10-12-2007, 03:14 AM

A major change? Hmm... I bet it will be the first sensorless camera! No more high ISO noise, banding, VPN... and the marketing could put a "equivalent to xxxxx megapixels" label on it, thus crushing the competition still in the 10-12 MP range.
However, I have a feeling that I'm missing something...

Sam · 10-12-2007, 08:15 AM

Ben,
You mean that in just three months Pentax (under the umbrella of Hoya) will be ready to present / deploy a new FULL system, including bodies, LENSES flashes and accessories or this MAJOR news they told you to tell us will be just a new sensor in a dslr body?

Last time they presented their new lenses lineup, aka 2 DA* lenses it took them ~11 months to deploy them..without taking into account what they have been spreading over the past months concerning Salon de Paris..

BTW Have you seen with your own eyes any of this that you tell us?

Sam

Originally posted by benjikan

Will..The word IS MAJOR with a capital "M"

karma mechanic · 10-12-2007, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

Nope..It "A'INT" a FOVEON....

That seems to be sufficiently cryptic to actually mean something...

Mats · 10-12-2007, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Sam

Ben,
You mean that in just three months Pentax (under the umbrella of Hoya) will be ready to present / deploy a new FULL system, including bodies, LENSES flashes and accessories or this MAJOR news they told you to tell us will be just a new sensor in a dslr body?

Last time they presented their new lenses lineup, aka 2 DA* lenses it took them ~11 months to deploy them..without taking into account what they have been spreading over the past months concerning Salon de Paris..

BTW Have you seen with your own eyes any of this that you tell us?

Sam

Why would you limit the development time to three months??
Pentax have been working with it for years, there are no shortcuts to take in the development process. I´d say that the final verification and production preparation would take at least 6 months.
Pentax just happened to get a new major shareholder in the meantime.
/Mats

thibs · 10-12-2007, 10:12 AM

They might just be able to afford a higher Mpix count or another brand than previously thought.

EDIT: I meant another sensor brand of course.

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10-09-2007, 07:11 AM	#166
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	Originally posted by and I just hope their next body will be at a higher level than the k10D. The k10d is superb as it is, at its low pricepoint and its not an old model either, I dont see the point in upgrading it already 1 year after the release. I hope they will follow what they said in that old interview, that a higher end model will be introduced. A Pentax k1d with built in vertical grip, 100% vf and lots of goodies at around 1700-2000 USD. I would love to see what kinda stuff they would put in that model, given the much higher price over the k10d. I think they should expand their body lineup rather than just upgrading the existing ones If Pentax shows us its new line up in Jan, they best be MAJOR changes, upgrades do not cut it. As stated in past forums, Pentax said they made a mistake (sort of) by having a small upgrades, they said new camera bodies and major changes were the way of their future. wll

10-09-2007, 10:53 AM	#167
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by wll If Pentax shows us its new line up in Jan, they best be MAJOR changes, upgrades do not cut it. As stated in past forums, Pentax said they made a mistake (sort of) by having a small upgrades, they said new camera bodies and major changes were the way of their future. Yep. And therefore they released K100D Super

10-11-2007, 07:20 AM	#168
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by blende8 Foveon was a rumour from this year's PMA. Several people reported this in newsgroups. Don't know the source though. Newsgroups? What newsgroups? I'd like to read more on that...

10-12-2007, 12:53 AM	#169
Richard Day Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gloucester UK Posts: 441	Originally posted by blende8 Foveon was a rumour from this year's PMA. Several people reported this in newsgroups. Don't know the source though. I cannot say what the sensor will be, but I can say what it won't be! It's definitely NOT a Foveon!

10-12-2007, 01:01 AM	#170
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	I guess that figures, since foveon would have to come up with a very different, new sensor for that to work, a bigger one too. And I guess if they were capable of making bigger sensors then Sigma would already be using them. I still like the idea behind their technology though.. I guess someone might copy them sooner or later.

10-12-2007, 01:38 AM	#171
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Richard Day I cannot say what the sensor will be, but I can say what it won't be! It's definitely NOT a Foveon! Mmm Richard, is it going to be a Sony sensor ?

10-12-2007, 02:30 AM	#172
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by thibs Mmm Richard, is it going to be a Sony sensor ? Or could it be a Kodak sensor ? Or a Fuji? Or a Samsung? (Since you're allowed to say what it's not.... we should corner it at some point )

10-12-2007, 02:45 AM	#173
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	Well of course everything is pointing at sony. If its not going to be sony then there are not that many viable options, and now foveon is out too. I dont see any way canon will sell theirs, I dont know if fuji is as protective, but that sensor is basically what seperates them so I guess not. And then the remaining makers would be a bit of a gamble since they dont make sensors for any current dslrs.

10-12-2007, 03:01 AM	#174
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Originally posted by wll If Pentax shows us its new line up in Jan, they best be MAJOR changes, upgrades do not cut it. As stated in past forums, Pentax said they made a mistake (sort of) by having a small upgrades, they said new camera bodies and major changes were the way of their future. wll Will..The word IS MAJOR with a capital "M"

10-12-2007, 03:03 AM	#175
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Originally posted by Richard Day I cannot say what the sensor will be, but I can say what it won't be! It's definitely NOT a Foveon! Nope..It "A'INT" a FOVEON....

10-12-2007, 03:14 AM	#176
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	A major change? Hmm... I bet it will be the first sensorless camera! No more high ISO noise, banding, VPN... and the marketing could put a "equivalent to xxxxx megapixels" label on it, thus crushing the competition still in the 10-12 MP range. However, I have a feeling that I'm missing something...

10-12-2007, 08:15 AM	#177
Sam New Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 19	Ben, You mean that in just three months Pentax (under the umbrella of Hoya) will be ready to present / deploy a new FULL system, including bodies, LENSES flashes and accessories or this MAJOR news they told you to tell us will be just a new sensor in a dslr body? Last time they presented their new lenses lineup, aka 2 DA* lenses it took them ~11 months to deploy them..without taking into account what they have been spreading over the past months concerning Salon de Paris.. BTW Have you seen with your own eyes any of this that you tell us? Sam Originally posted by benjikan Will..The word IS MAJOR with a capital "M"

10-12-2007, 08:41 AM	#178
karma mechanic Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 192	Originally posted by benjikan Nope..It "A'INT" a FOVEON.... That seems to be sufficiently cryptic to actually mean something...

10-12-2007, 08:53 AM	#179
Mats Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 60	Originally posted by Sam Ben, You mean that in just three months Pentax (under the umbrella of Hoya) will be ready to present / deploy a new FULL system, including bodies, LENSES flashes and accessories or this MAJOR news they told you to tell us will be just a new sensor in a dslr body? Last time they presented their new lenses lineup, aka 2 DA* lenses it took them ~11 months to deploy them..without taking into account what they have been spreading over the past months concerning Salon de Paris.. BTW Have you seen with your own eyes any of this that you tell us? Sam Why would you limit the development time to three months?? Pentax have been working with it for years, there are no shortcuts to take in the development process. I´d say that the final verification and production preparation would take at least 6 months. Pentax just happened to get a new major shareholder in the meantime. /Mats