Forgot Password
Pentax Camera Forums Home
 

Reply
Show Printable Version Search this Thread
02-03-2011, 08:34 AM   #196
Veteran Member




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Charlotte, NC
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 886
QuoteOriginally posted by Caat Quote
That is why some might choose it over an XZ1. Now the image quality is important of course but whereas m4/3s (out) competes with compacts and bridge cameras in image quality they do not in size. This could compete potentially on both fronts.
I could buy this argument if they were using a 2/3's sensor, but why in the name of all that is holy would they choose a 1/2.33? With a sensor that small I'm truly failing to see a point in this thing at all. Maybe they're going after Holga users

02-03-2011, 08:38 AM   #197
Veteran Member
Caat's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: United Kingdom
Photos: Albums
Posts: 896
QuoteOriginally posted by Art Vandelay II Quote
I could buy this argument if they were using a 2/3's sensor, but why in the name of all that is holy would they choose a 1/2.33? With a sensor that small I'm truly failing to see a point in this thing at all. Maybe they're going after Holga users
Well I guess it all depends what kind of 1/2.33 sensor Pentax can source. How much large is a 2/3s sensor? I'm not good on sensor sizes by fractions!
02-03-2011, 08:42 AM   #198
Veteran Member
arpaagent's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 777
latest on mirrorlessrumors is saying two lenses:

8.5mm f/1.9
5-15mm f/2.8-4.5

in full frame terms, these are equivalent optics (in terms of FOV/DOF) to approx:
50mm F10
28-80 F16-F25

and APS-C:
35mm F6.7
18-55mm F11-F16
(assuming 5.6x crop)

sooooo, there goes anyone's dreams about DOF control w/ the camera. I guess it's good for landscapes, as long as the resolution and DR hold up OK.
02-03-2011, 08:43 AM   #199
Loyal Site Supporter
eddie1960's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Toronto
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 12,168
the 2/3 is about twice in size if i'm not mistaken

02-03-2011, 08:48 AM   #200
Veteran Member
blende8's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Bremen, Germany
Photos: Albums
Posts: 1,484
QuoteOriginally posted by arpaagent Quote
latest on mirrorlessrumors is saying two lenses:

8.5mm f/1.9
5-15mm f/2.8-4.5

in full frame terms, these are equivalent optics (in terms of FOV/DOF) to approx:
50mm F10
28-80 F16-F25
(assuming 5.6x crop)
It's even worse:
f1.9 equals f13 on FF (aperture goes quadratic)
f2.8 is about f20.

If you want to get a 50/1.4 for this system you have to create a 9mm f0.2 lens! And that is not small.
02-03-2011, 09:00 AM   #201
Veteran Member
Caat's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: United Kingdom
Photos: Albums
Posts: 896
QuoteOriginally posted by arpaagent Quote
latest on mirrorlessrumors is saying two lenses:

8.5mm f/1.9
5-15mm f/2.8-4.5

in full frame terms, these are equivalent optics (in terms of FOV/DOF) to approx:
50mm F10
28-80 F16-F25

and APS-C:
35mm F6.7
18-55mm F11-F16
(assuming 5.6x crop)

sooooo, there goes anyone's dreams about DOF control w/ the camera. I guess it's good for landscapes, as long as the resolution and DR hold up OK.
OK those numbers in terms of DoF aren't great but in terms of speed they're alright.

Plus they're clearly two lenses to be announced as kit lenses (in a rumour no less). That does not in anyway mean that we won't see faster lenses annonced. Pentax make C-mount lenses as fast as f/1.0 at the moment. This is obviously still not going to give you APS-C levels of DoF control but it's not too bad for use in a camera which isn't designed for creative control in the way a DSLR is. And it's going to be a lot better than any other compact camera.
02-03-2011, 09:27 AM   #202
Veteran Member
blende8's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Bremen, Germany
Photos: Albums
Posts: 1,484
We will see interesting contributions then in the
Post your â1.2 Photos! (â1.2 ONLY!) thread.

02-03-2011, 09:43 AM   #203
Veteran Member




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Charlotte, NC
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 886
QuoteOriginally posted by blende8 Quote
We will see interesting contributions then in the
Post your ƒ1.2 Photos! (ƒ1.2 ONLY!) thread.
Ha, yeah, I cant wait to see a bunch of portraits like this. Just look at that bokeh! b.e.a.u.t.i.f.u.l.

Look, I know nice work can be done with small sensor cameras, as seen here:
www.flickr.com/photos/fotorita/4008067886/

www.flickr.com/photos/ronya/2853680205/

But I shot with a Canon G2 and a Canon G10 at times over the years. I know how limited they are, and not even f/1 primes are going to change that.

02-03-2011, 10:02 AM   #204
Veteran Member
eurostar's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Albareto, Italy
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 813
But if they come out with this camera, it's not aimed at who want narrow depth of field. It's for people that want a very compact interchangeable lens system. It's not different from the old 110 AP camera. Who bought it was not to create stunning quality picture. I used a 110 instamatic when I was a kid, and 100 ASA film had grain like peas. Not to mention 400 ASA. The Pentax was a fun toy made to amaze friends, not to shot pictures for the NG. And this camera would be the same.

That said, I simply believe Pentax created the camera to be marketed by Kenko, and the rumors are screwing with that. I guess the rumors about two different Pentax mirrorless are derived from the fact that Pentax designed the small camera for Kenko and a larger one for themselves. IHMO.
02-03-2011, 10:17 AM   #205
Junior Member
jayp's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Florida State University
Posts: 30
QuoteOriginally posted by eurostar Quote
That said, I simply believe Pentax created the camera to be marketed by Kenko, and the rumors are screwing with that. I guess the rumors about two different Pentax mirrorless are derived from the fact that Pentax designed the small camera for Kenko and a larger one for themselves. IHMO.
I think that if this small sensor information is true, that this would be the best possible scenario. I hope that Pentax shows us something other than a 5.6x crop camera at CP+ though.
02-03-2011, 11:06 AM - 2 Likes   #206
Pentaxian




Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Central Ohio (formerly SF Bay Area)
Posts: 1,464
This is all part of Pentax's cunning plan to mitigate the inaccuracies of its autofocus system.
02-03-2011, 11:09 AM   #207
Loyal Site Supporter
eddie1960's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Toronto
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 12,168
QuoteOriginally posted by Quicksand Quote
This is all part of Pentax's cunning plan to mitigate the inaccuracies of its autofocus system.
02-03-2011, 11:43 AM - 1 Like   #208
ogl
Banned




Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Siberia
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 7,114
QuoteOriginally posted by jayp Quote
5.6x crop makes me sad, honestly why would someone choose this over one of the advanced compacts? Especially since the advanced compacts have a larger sensor and are still pocketable...
It's Kenko system. 14 Mp, 1/2.33" sensor and C-mount.
02-03-2011, 12:03 PM   #209
Pentaxian




Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Nevada, USA
Posts: 465
QuoteOriginally posted by Quicksand Quote
This is all part of Pentax's cunning plan to mitigate the inaccuracies of its autofocus system.
Funniest post of the year!
02-03-2011, 12:19 PM   #210
Pentaxian




Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Nevada, USA
Posts: 465
OK, I can see benefit of a small sensor camera. Low cost, check. Small size, check.

But in a changeable lens camrea? Every advantage of the small sensor is negated in a multiple lens system.

Likewise, any possible benefit of of using multiple lenses will never be seen with such a small sensor.

What am I missing?
Reply

Bookmarks
  • Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook
  • Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter
  • Submit Thread to Digg Digg
Tags - Make this thread easier to find by adding keywords to it!
camera, k-5, mirrorless, pentax, pentax mirrorless, pentax news, pentax rumors, rule, share
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mirrorless Camera--Good or Bad? InStitches49 Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 15 11-10-2010 10:15 PM
[RUMOR] Canon's First Mirrorless Camera! jct us101 Non-Pentax Cameras: Canon, Nikon, etc. 12 09-14-2010 08:08 PM
Pentax is investigating a mirrorless system camera falconeye Pentax News and Rumors 172 04-01-2010 01:03 PM
Pentax mirrorless camera in LX like design body ogl Pentax News and Rumors 94 03-23-2010 04:21 AM
Samsung GX fullframe mirrorless camera system? amonsul Pentax News and Rumors 46 11-12-2009 05:37 AM



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:13 PM. | See also: NikonForums.com, part of our network of photo forums!
  • Red (Default)
  • Green
  • Gray
  • Dark
  • Dark Yellow
  • Dark Blue
  • Old Red
  • Old Green
  • Old Gray
  • Dial-Up Style
Hello! It's great to see you back on the forum! Have you considered joining the community?
register
Creating a FREE ACCOUNT takes under a minute, removes ads, and lets you post! [Dismiss]
Top