The forthcoming Pentax Mirrorless Camera

**Ash** · 03-28-2011, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

that tells me it will be a much cooler cam than the other evils then, they have been given a brief respite due to the x100 production issues

Apparently the X100 is back in production now - Fuji being China-based were less affected by the Japanese crisis than a lot of other companies.

fleet · 03-28-2011, 11:43 PM

duno if somebody has pose this image before. I think you guy's gonna be interested.

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**Ash** · 03-28-2011, 11:53 PM

Now that is a sleek image of an old classic.
Beautiful - thanks for sharing.

**Rorschach** · 03-29-2011, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by fleet

duno if somebody has pose this image before. I think you guy's gonna be interested.

Attachment 87142

Nice. I just obtained a full Pentax 110 set with all the basic lenses (18mm, 24mm, 50mm) plus the 70 mm f2.8, winder, flash, case and strap. All this for 175 USD.

So I am certainly quite a bit interested in this digital 110 rumor!

Art Vandelay II · 03-29-2011, 07:44 AM

I sure hope Pentax sources this EVF from Sony:

Quote:

We know have confirmation from our sources the A77 will feature a 3 Million dots OLED viewfinder. That more than double of the resolution fo the current Sony A55/33 viewfinder. They have 1,4 Million dots. We have no specific technical details about the new viewfinder but we were told that it has a higher refresh rate and a greater brightness too.

That's nuts. My G1 only has a resolution of 800x600 and it has been enough to convince me the that I'll never need an optical view finder again. A 2000x1500 resolution OLED view finder + faster refresh rate would make me forget about optical view finders all together.

Michael Barker · 03-29-2011, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Unlike 35 mm SLRs, the system's lenses did not have a built-in iris to control the aperture. Instead, an iris was mounted inside the camera body, and functioned as both an aperture control and a shutter. This mechanism was capable of programmed exposures between 1/750 second at f/13.5; and 1 second at F/2.8. (link - Wikipedia: Pentax Auto 110)

I wonder if this would be true of a digital version? The above is the reason that all Auto 110 lenses had to be the same max aperture of f/2.8.

If it is 2.7x crop, one prediction I have is that the phrase "f/8 and be there" will be bandied about quite a bit. Only with the crop factor that'd be f/3.2 or something

Edit: hmmm... Auto 110 was only 2x crop. And that leaf shutter basically locked shutter speed to effective aperture. But not having independent aperture/shutter control does not mean no apertures ... you can have aperture and hence DOF control if you have built-in adjustable ND filter plus adjustable ISO - it's a different paradigm but potentially just as flexible.

Kenn100D · 03-29-2011, 11:31 AM

@Asahiflex

Think more......filter all....then SINGLE out. Its also 14.0 MP. =)
I think thats enough till June.

RonHendriks1966 · 03-29-2011, 12:08 PM

Well I have a Auto 110 set, so a digital body would be nice to have.

After I bought this I had to buy a set. Next to my old film-Nikon it is a nice little camera.

johnmflores · 03-29-2011, 12:42 PM

Placing the aperture in the body is an interesting approach and no doubt helped make the lenses tiny. What are the disadvantages of this setup and would it work well in our digital age?

**Rorschach** · 03-29-2011, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Kenn100D

@Asahiflex

Think more......filter all....then SINGLE out. Its also 14.0 MP. =)
I think thats enough till June.

If they do come out with a 110 digital, I will buy it immediately!

ogl · 03-29-2011, 10:44 PM

AUTO 110 in digital is the silliest idea IMO
No fast lenses, very small body and lenses.

**Rorschach** · 03-29-2011, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by ogl

AUTO 110 in digital is the silliest idea IMO
No fast lenses, very small body and lenses.

No it is not. Not everybody wants to lug a humongous camera around all the time, especially when traveling for daytime work or on other trips where photography is not the main reason behind.

**Ash** · 03-29-2011, 11:27 PM

And f/2.8 ain't all that bad for speed.
Most old compact film cams had lenses no faster than f/2.8 also...

ogl · 03-29-2011, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Boucicaut

No it is not. Not everybody wants to lug a humongous camera around all the time, especially when traveling for daytime work or on other trips where photography is not the main reason behind.

I'm not dwarf and my hands are big. The ergonomics and size must be in harmony.

ogl · 03-29-2011, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Ash

And f/2.8 ain't all that bad for speed.
Most old compact film cams had lenses no faster than f/2.8 also...

Your film compact had 24*36 mm size of light receiver.
f2.8 is good for zoom lenses at APS-C. but not for most fixed lenses.

for crop 2 and smaller censors - f2.8 is no good at all.

03-29-2011, 09:50 AM	#291
Michael Barker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Markham, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 185	Quote: Unlike 35 mm SLRs, the system's lenses did not have a built-in iris to control the aperture. Instead, an iris was mounted inside the camera body, and functioned as both an aperture control and a shutter. This mechanism was capable of programmed exposures between 1/750 second at f/13.5; and 1 second at F/2.8. (link - Wikipedia: Pentax Auto 110) I wonder if this would be true of a digital version? The above is the reason that all Auto 110 lenses had to be the same max aperture of f/2.8. If it is 2.7x crop, one prediction I have is that the phrase "f/8 and be there" will be bandied about quite a bit. Only with the crop factor that'd be f/3.2 or something Edit: hmmm... Auto 110 was only 2x crop. And that leaf shutter basically locked shutter speed to effective aperture. But not having independent aperture/shutter control does not mean no apertures ... you can have aperture and hence DOF control if you have built-in adjustable ND filter plus adjustable ISO - it's a different paradigm but potentially just as flexible. Last edited by Michael Barker; 03-29-2011 at 11:40 AM.

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03-28-2011, 08:58 PM	#286
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by eddie1960 that tells me it will be a much cooler cam than the other evils then, they have been given a brief respite due to the x100 production issues Apparently the X100 is back in production now - Fuji being China-based were less affected by the Japanese crisis than a lot of other companies.

03-28-2011, 11:43 PM	#287
fleet New Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: GuangDong China Posts: 7	duno if somebody has pose this image before. I think you guy's gonna be interested.

03-28-2011, 11:53 PM	#288
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Now that is a sleek image of an old classic. Beautiful - thanks for sharing.

03-29-2011, 06:43 AM	#289
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by fleet duno if somebody has pose this image before. I think you guy's gonna be interested. Attachment 87142 Nice. I just obtained a full Pentax 110 set with all the basic lenses (18mm, 24mm, 50mm) plus the 70 mm f2.8, winder, flash, case and strap. All this for 175 USD. So I am certainly quite a bit interested in this digital 110 rumor!

03-29-2011, 07:44 AM	#290
Art Vandelay II Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 886	I sure hope Pentax sources this EVF from Sony: Quote: We know have confirmation from our sources the A77 will feature a 3 Million dots OLED viewfinder. That more than double of the resolution fo the current Sony A55/33 viewfinder. They have 1,4 Million dots. We have no specific technical details about the new viewfinder but we were told that it has a higher refresh rate and a greater brightness too. That's nuts. My G1 only has a resolution of 800x600 and it has been enough to convince me the that I'll never need an optical view finder again. A 2000x1500 resolution OLED view finder + faster refresh rate would make me forget about optical view finders all together.

03-29-2011, 11:31 AM	#292
Kenn100D Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Paranaque City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 697	@Asahiflex Think more......filter all....then SINGLE out. Its also 14.0 MP. =) I think thats enough till June.

03-29-2011, 12:08 PM	#293
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Well I have a Auto 110 set, so a digital body would be nice to have. After I bought this I had to buy a set. Next to my old film-Nikon it is a nice little camera.

03-29-2011, 12:42 PM	#294
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Placing the aperture in the body is an interesting approach and no doubt helped make the lenses tiny. What are the disadvantages of this setup and would it work well in our digital age?

03-29-2011, 07:46 PM	#295
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by Kenn100D @Asahiflex Think more......filter all....then SINGLE out. Its also 14.0 MP. =) I think thats enough till June. If they do come out with a 110 digital, I will buy it immediately!

03-29-2011, 10:44 PM	#296
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	AUTO 110 in digital is the silliest idea IMO No fast lenses, very small body and lenses.

03-29-2011, 11:18 PM	#297
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by ogl AUTO 110 in digital is the silliest idea IMO No fast lenses, very small body and lenses. No it is not. Not everybody wants to lug a humongous camera around all the time, especially when traveling for daytime work or on other trips where photography is not the main reason behind.

03-29-2011, 11:27 PM	#298
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	And f/2.8 ain't all that bad for speed. Most old compact film cams had lenses no faster than f/2.8 also...

03-29-2011, 11:57 PM	#299
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Boucicaut No it is not. Not everybody wants to lug a humongous camera around all the time, especially when traveling for daytime work or on other trips where photography is not the main reason behind. I'm not dwarf and my hands are big. The ergonomics and size must be in harmony.

03-29-2011, 11:57 PM	#300
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Ash And f/2.8 ain't all that bad for speed. Most old compact film cams had lenses no faster than f/2.8 also... Your film compact had 24*36 mm size of light receiver. f2.8 is good for zoom lenses at APS-C. but not for most fixed lenses. for crop 2 and smaller censors - f2.8 is no good at all.