The forthcoming Pentax Mirrorless Camera

Vylen · 03-30-2011, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I'm not dwarf and my hands are big. The ergonomics and size must be in harmony.

"Not everybody."

Additionally, it would seem you != everybody.

So while you won't buy or use one, there are people out there with small hands and would find it a god-send to use a smaller camera. Thus, a (digital) Auto 110 is not a silly idea.

ogl · 03-30-2011, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by Vylen

So while you won't buy or use one, there are people out there with small hands and would find it a god-send to use a smaller camera. Thus, a (digital) Auto 110 is not a silly idea.

Your hands are big too.

Digital auto 100 is discrimination of persons with big hands.

jct us101 · 03-30-2011, 03:16 AM

So were the Digital Rebels.

What's your point?

gazonk · 03-30-2011, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Digital auto 100 is discrimination of persons with big hand.

This is nonsense, nobody wants to replace current DSLR by micro cameras. I have big hands (I have problems finding gloves that are big enough), and I want a tiny system camera as a lightweight alternative to my K10D. As long as I can push the shutter button without hitting several other buttons, I'll be fine. After all I've shot some thousand shots with my tiny W10 without worrying about my hand size.

ogl · 03-30-2011, 04:08 AM

Mirrorless Rumors | Blog | HOT: First pictures of the Pentax NC mirrorless system!

The first news - bad. Crop 6.

1/2.33" sensor.

Good new - the second one EVIL will be with 14 MP APS-C sensor and K-mount.

Turo · 03-30-2011, 04:19 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Crop 6.

It looks cool but for those with some optics knowledge...

Is there a noticeable differece (in terms of DOF) between 8.5 f1.9 and the above zoom at 8.5 f4?

gazonk · 03-30-2011, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Mirrorless Rumors | Blog | HOT: First pictures of the Pentax NC mirrorless system!

Crop 6.

indeed, if it's true.

What would be the point of interchangeable lenses at all on such a small-sensor system? Isn't the sensor the limiting factor anyway?

But the article also mentions the other system with APS-C sensor coming this summer

**Rondec** · 03-30-2011, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

indeed, if it's true.

What would be the point of interchangeable lenses at all on such a small-sensor system? Isn't the sensor the limiting factor anyway?

But the article also mentions the other system with APS-C sensor coming this summer

Exactly. What is the point, what benefit over a point and shoot? Even with f1.9 lens, there is not much playing with depth of field achievable. Noise is going to be a issue at relatively low isos. I just don't see it. Get a nice point and shoot and be done with it.

Now, APS-C or, four thirds makes a little more sense...

gazonk · 03-30-2011, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by Turo

It looks cool but for those with some optics knowledge...

Is there a noticeable differece (in terms of DOF) between 8.5 f1.9 and the above zoom at 8.5 f4?

At 1 meter distance, you'll get 59 cm DOF with f/4 and only 26 cm with f/1.9, so you might be able to blur the background slightly with the f/1.9 lens.

zackspeed · 03-30-2011, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by ogl

AUTO 110 in digital is the silliest idea IMO
No fast lenses, very small body and lenses.

No,it´s not.
It is made for the japanese and us market.
More interesting is the "one" later

But nothing for James Bond

ogl · 03-30-2011, 04:44 AM

Originally posted by zackspeed

No,it´s not.
It is made for the japanese and us market.
More interesting is the "one" later

But nothing for James Bond

APS-C and mount K is more interesting for us. I've heard that small EVIL is for Japanese market.

gazonk · 03-30-2011, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Exactly. What is the point, what benefit over a point and shoot? Even with f1.9 lens, there is not much playing with depth of field achievable. Noise is going to be a issue at relatively low isos. I just don't see it. Get a nice point and shoot and be done with it.

I don't believe the specs yet, though. The image is clearly wrong, the two lenses, for instance, are identical, and are probably both the prime lens. It's impossible to read the letters from the lens on the camera (except that f/1.8 or f/1.9 seems likely), so I'm not sure about the focal length. And what if it's indeed a 8.5 mm, but the sensor is 1/1.6? That would make much more sense, since the prime lens then would be roughly a 35mm moderate wide, ideal for such a camera. And the system would then suddenly be an interesting alternative to the "photographer's P&S" class of cameras, e.g. the LX5.

Maybe even Ned could use it, instead of upgrading to whatever Leica calls the LX5

Erik · 03-30-2011, 04:51 AM

There is no way the large-sensor system will be native K-mount (because of the registration distance, natch.) The article reads "compatible with current K-mount lenses" which will probably be true, with an adapter that is. Hopefully with AE, possibly with AF... but there will be a new mount, no doubt.

zackspeed · 03-30-2011, 04:54 AM

sdm only

eddie1960 · 03-30-2011, 05:04 AM

it looks pretty cool, and there is the apsc model coming for higher quality. If could easily replace the lx5 type camera as a pocket camera. and from reading the article i get the impression it will be c mount like the kenko (which would make sense, widening the number of lenses available and putting 2 brands into they system)
Not what i might be looking for but i bet they sell, particularly in japan

03-30-2011, 03:12 AM	#302
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Vylen So while you won't buy or use one, there are people out there with small hands and would find it a god-send to use a smaller camera. Thus, a (digital) Auto 110 is not a silly idea. Your hands are big too. Digital auto 100 is discrimination of persons with big hands. Last edited by ogl; 03-30-2011 at 03:46 AM.

03-30-2011, 04:08 AM	#305
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Mirrorless Rumors \| Blog \| HOT: First pictures of the Pentax NC mirrorless system! The first news - bad. Crop 6. 1/2.33" sensor. Good new - the second one EVIL will be with 14 MP APS-C sensor and K-mount. Last edited by ogl; 03-30-2011 at 04:30 AM.

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03-30-2011, 02:44 AM	#301
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Originally posted by ogl I'm not dwarf and my hands are big. The ergonomics and size must be in harmony. "Not *everybody." Additionally, it would seem you != everybody. So while you won't buy or use one, there are* people out there with small hands and would find it a god-send to use a smaller camera. Thus, a (digital) Auto 110 is not a silly idea.

03-30-2011, 03:16 AM	#303
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	So were the Digital Rebels. What's your point?

03-30-2011, 03:46 AM	#304
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by ogl Digital auto 100 is discrimination of persons with big hand. This is nonsense, nobody wants to replace current DSLR by micro cameras. I have big hands (I have problems finding gloves that are big enough), and I want a tiny system camera as a lightweight alternative to my K10D. As long as I can push the shutter button without hitting several other buttons, I'll be fine. After all I've shot some thousand shots with my tiny W10 without worrying about my hand size.

03-30-2011, 04:19 AM	#306
Turo Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chengdu Posts: 31	Originally posted by ogl Crop 6. It looks cool but for those with some optics knowledge... Is there a noticeable differece (in terms of DOF) between 8.5 f1.9 and the above zoom at 8.5 f4?

03-30-2011, 04:23 AM	#307
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by ogl Mirrorless Rumors \| Blog \| HOT: First pictures of the Pentax NC mirrorless system! Crop 6. indeed, if it's true. What would be the point of interchangeable lenses at all on such a small-sensor system? Isn't the sensor the limiting factor anyway? But the article also mentions the other system with APS-C sensor coming this summer

03-30-2011, 04:37 AM	#308
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by gazonk indeed, if it's true. What would be the point of interchangeable lenses at all on such a small-sensor system? Isn't the sensor the limiting factor anyway? But the article also mentions the other system with APS-C sensor coming this summer Exactly. What is the point, what benefit over a point and shoot? Even with f1.9 lens, there is not much playing with depth of field achievable. Noise is going to be a issue at relatively low isos. I just don't see it. Get a nice point and shoot and be done with it. Now, APS-C or, four thirds makes a little more sense...

03-30-2011, 04:37 AM	#309
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Turo It looks cool but for those with some optics knowledge... Is there a noticeable differece (in terms of DOF) between 8.5 f1.9 and the above zoom at 8.5 f4? At 1 meter distance, you'll get 59 cm DOF with f/4 and only 26 cm with f/1.9, so you might be able to blur the background slightly with the f/1.9 lens.

03-30-2011, 04:42 AM	#310
zackspeed Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 527	Originally posted by ogl AUTO 110 in digital is the silliest idea IMO No fast lenses, very small body and lenses. No,it´s not. It is made for the japanese and us market. More interesting is the "one" later But nothing for James Bond

03-30-2011, 04:44 AM	#311
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by zackspeed No,it´s not. It is made for the japanese and us market. More interesting is the "one" later But nothing for James Bond APS-C and mount K is more interesting for us. I've heard that small EVIL is for Japanese market.

03-30-2011, 04:50 AM	#312
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Rondec Exactly. What is the point, what benefit over a point and shoot? Even with f1.9 lens, there is not much playing with depth of field achievable. Noise is going to be a issue at relatively low isos. I just don't see it. Get a nice point and shoot and be done with it. I don't believe the specs yet, though. The image is clearly wrong, the two lenses, for instance, are identical, and are probably both the prime lens. It's impossible to read the letters from the lens on the camera (except that f/1.8 or f/1.9 seems likely), so I'm not sure about the focal length. And what if it's indeed a 8.5 mm, but the sensor is 1/1.6? That would make much more sense, since the prime lens then would be roughly a 35mm moderate wide, ideal for such a camera. And the system would then suddenly be an interesting alternative to the "photographer's P&S" class of cameras, e.g. the LX5. Maybe even Ned could use it, instead of upgrading to whatever Leica calls the LX5

03-30-2011, 04:51 AM	#313
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	There is no way the large-sensor system will be native K-mount (because of the registration distance, natch.) The article reads "compatible with current K-mount lenses" which will probably be true, with an adapter that is. Hopefully with AE, possibly with AF... but there will be a new mount, no doubt.

03-30-2011, 04:54 AM	#314
zackspeed Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 527	sdm only

03-30-2011, 05:04 AM	#315
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	it looks pretty cool, and there is the apsc model coming for higher quality. If could easily replace the lx5 type camera as a pocket camera. and from reading the article i get the impression it will be c mount like the kenko (which would make sense, widening the number of lenses available and putting 2 brands into they system) Not what i might be looking for but i bet they sell, particularly in japan