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06-04-2011, 08:51 AM   #676
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QuoteOriginally posted by ghelary Quote
IMO keeping the K-mount would be a brilliant move, the size of a system is determined by a body + the lens on it. I feel the Sony NEXT very nice, but clunky with lens on it.

Keeping the K-mount while removing the mirror, would allow the lens to recede in behind the mount. A great advantage for designing wide angles (and the reason why Leica have such mythical wide angles)

24mm non-retrofocus anyone? 50mm collapsible Elmar on a digital FF?

Of course that would mean adding a little knob to prevent mounting those lenses on a classic SLR k-mount design.

The current thickness of D-SLR bodies is due to sensor thickness + stabilization/mounting of it + the viewing screen. There is a great potential of miniaturization for each of them especially the screen where it is driven by the cell-phone industry.

IMO keeping the K-mount would be a very good move in the long term, unless we come up with an absolutely revolutionary way of designing lenses, they will keep being the determining factor in the size of a system.
AF is the critical factor. No AF, no sales. That requires a motor and power, so everything bulks up. Driving AF on more massive FA glass will likely require an adapter like a grip which can also increase the flange distance as need be.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Someone needs to build a serious mirror-less camera with high quality fast glass. Sony is rumored to have the NEX-7 and Olympus is rumored to be coming out with a Pro-M/4/3. Fuji seems to have the best idea of the group so far. Fuji can't keep up with demand for the X100.
I went down to a local art walk. Talked to a coop gallery member i had previously met and complimented him on one of his displayed photos. He said it was a candid shot from a cafe, said he liked street photo type stuff.

Showed me his new Fuji x100 with an aps sensor and a 22mm lens compatible with Nikon mount. I showed him my Pentax K5 with a DA 21mm lens.

I've not been that interested in one of the MILC cameras - till now. The viewfinder was terrific and i liked the size of it. After i got home, i read up about the numerous buggy problems they are having with the firmware. Hopefully, they will fix that problem.

But my opinion is this. I like the idea of an aps sensor in a body like the Fuji. I think Pentax should come out with such a camera body, with Nikon or Pentax compatible mount. Pentax knows how to build compact bodies that are good for shooters. I don't think we need a new lens standard however. If Pentax doesn't want to go with the Nikon mount like Fuji, or the K mount for whatever reason, then at the least, it should be compatible with the m4/3 mount. I would not buy a Pentax MILC that had a PS sensor in it.

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QuoteOriginally posted by philbaum Quote
I went down to a local art walk. Talked to a coop gallery member i had previously met and complimented him on one of his displayed photos. He said it was a candid shot from a cafe, said he liked street photo type stuff.

Showed me his new Fuji x100 with an aps sensor and a 22mm lens compatible with Nikon mount. I showed him my Pentax K5 with a DA 21mm lens.

I've not been that interested in one of the MILF cameras - till now. The viewfinder was terrific and i liked the size of it. After i got home, i read up about the numerous buggy problems they are having with the firmware. Hopefully, they will fix that problem.

But my opinion is this. I like the idea of an aps sensor in a body like the Fuji. I think Pentax should come out with such a camera body, with Nikon or Pentax compatible mount. Pentax knows how to build compact bodies that are good for shooters. I don't think we need a new lens standard however. If Pentax doesn't want to go with the Nikon mount like Fuji, or the K mount for whatever reason, then at the least, it should be compatible with the m4/3 mount. I would not buy a Pentax MILF that had a PS sensor in it.
The Fuji X100 is not without its problems, but it is a step in the right direction. Even M4/3 (EP-2) has a lot of potential. I am not seeing the quality of glass that I am looking for in the current offering.
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QuoteOriginally posted by philbaum Quote
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Showed me his new Fuji x100 with an aps sensor and a 22mm lens compatible with Nikon mount. (...)
Sorry to contradict you but the Fuji X100's lens isn't compatible with Nikon's F mount: it's a fixed lens sealed to the body.

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I've not been that interested in one of the MILF cameras - till now.
Been browsing interesting websites lately, have we?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Someone needs to build a serious mirror-less camera with high quality fast glass. Sony is rumored to have the NEX-7 and Olympus is rumored to be coming out with a Pro-M/4/3. Fuji seems to have the best idea of the group so far. Fuji can't keep up with demand for the X100.

The EP-3 might be interesting, but Olympus needs to come out with some SHG primes for M4/3.
I had to wait 6 weeks to get my X100 after ordering it. I'm still waiting on the case and hood. But, after using it for two days it was worth everyday of waiting. It's a fantastic camera. I have to say I have absolutely no regrets about shelling out probably too much for the camera. I'm even happier with it than the K5 and I love the K5.
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QuoteOriginally posted by stanleyk Quote
I had to wait 6 weeks to get my X100 after ordering it. I'm still waiting on the case and hood. But, after using it for two days it was worth everyday of waiting. It's a fantastic camera. I have to say I have absolutely no regrets about shelling out probably too much for the camera. I'm even happier with it than the K5 and I love the K5.
I only got to compare it with my K5 last night for 10 minutes, but it looks great. They need some competition with another APS mirrorless camera to get the price down i'm thinking.

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QuoteOriginally posted by philbaum Quote
I only got to compare it with my K5 last night for 10 minutes, but it looks great. They need some competition with another APS mirrorless camera to get the price down i'm thinking.
I certainly wouldn't argue that it's not a niche camera. I never use anything longer than either a 77mm or an M42 Takumar 85mm that I have and I rarely use those. I've actually found that only having the one lens is quite liberating. And it doesn't hurt that it's a really great lens. The image quality on this camera is very good.

I've been a M4/3 user for a while and really like the format. But I think I've finally found my camera with the X100. I haven't used anything else since I got it and don't see that changing anytime soon.
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QuoteOriginally posted by philbaum Quote
I went down to a local art walk. Talked to a coop gallery member i had previously met and complimented him on one of his displayed photos. He said it was a candid shot from a cafe, said he liked street photo type stuff.

Showed me his new Fuji x100 with an aps sensor and a 22mm lens compatible with Nikon mount. I showed him my Pentax K5 with a DA 21mm lens.

I've not been that interested in one of the MILC cameras - till now. The viewfinder was terrific and i liked the size of it. After i got home, i read up about the numerous buggy problems they are having with the firmware. Hopefully, they will fix that problem.

But my opinion is this. I like the idea of an aps sensor in a body like the Fuji. I think Pentax should come out with such a camera body, with Nikon or Pentax compatible mount. Pentax knows how to build compact bodies that are good for shooters. I don't think we need a new lens standard however. If Pentax doesn't want to go with the Nikon mount like Fuji, or the K mount for whatever reason, then at the least, it should be compatible with the m4/3 mount. I would not buy a Pentax MILC that had a PS sensor in it.
Funnily enough i met lbam (the originator of the travelling nifty fifty) at an art walk today and got to play with his x100
I have to agree phil made me want one badly (already did this just confirmed it) need to start sellinf off gear to get the cash together)
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QuoteOriginally posted by stanleyk Quote
I had to wait 6 weeks to get my X100 after ordering it. I'm still waiting on the case and hood. But, after using it for two days it was worth everyday of waiting. It's a fantastic camera. I have to say I have absolutely no regrets about shelling out probably too much for the camera. I'm even happier with it than the K5 and I love the K5.
any photos that you might possibly share taken by the X100?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
The Fuji X100 is not without its problems, but it is a step in the right direction. Even M4/3 (EP-2) has a lot of potential. I am not seeing the quality of glass that I am looking for in the current offering.
I wonder if it is possible for Olympus to re-mount some of their extremely tasty 4/3rds Zuiko High Grade and Super High Grade lenses for m4/3?

Maybe that's a tall order and that's why the only m4/3 lens options are mostly slow, slightly better built consumer zooms with silly prices. However, I do have to confess that I've been mightily impressed with birding photos from the GH2 + 100-300mm telezoom. I'm not typically a tele shooter, but that compact setup could turn me into one.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Someone needs to build a serious mirror-less camera with high quality fast glass.
That is true. And not on the horizon.

Actually, I don't even watch for a serious mirrorless camera. The step before could be a hybrid camera with a translucent (read semitransparent) swing mirror but unlike the SLT, still retaining the optical viewfinder. The optical and electronic viewfinder images should then be overlaid in an adjustable way. Moreover, phase and contrast AF should then assist each other for ultimate speed and accuracy. And the choice between optical and electronic VF would be great during video too. The mirror would stay down for very fast (read 24fps) or quiet still video sequences, using electronic shutter circuitry.

That's the kind of camera I am watching out for, ideally FF. I lost hope for it though
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An Eos RT digital with hybrid viewfinder if understand correctly.
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An Eos RT digital with hybrid viewfinder if understand correctly.
It used a pellicle mirror similar to SLT, but it was still an optical VF. It was a very good camera. I still have the EOS 630 which was the same body, but with a traditional mirror.

I like the technology that Sony is working on. I think it still has to improve a good bit, but it has potential. I'm just not sure if SLT is a temporary fix until 100 EVF becomes a reality.
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