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02-01-2011, 06:17 AM   #121
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QuoteOriginally posted by uccemebug Quote
Good to hear. I see from your list that there are also adapters for just about every lens system ever made. Looks like the crop factor is >>1.6?

Camerapedia (getting better and better, that site) has an interesting write-up. I've known some film movie buffs who use 16mm, now I know what sort of gear is involved.

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Thanks for the Camerapedia link. Crop factor is 3 for Super16* and 3.4 for 16mm**

* 7.41mm x 12.52mm --> 14,5mm diagonal
** 7.49mm x 10.26mm --> 12.7mm diagonal

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Thanks for the Camerapedia link. Crop factor is 3 for Super16* and 3.4 for 16mm**

* 7.41mm x 12.52mm --> 14,5mm diagonal
** 7.49mm x 10.26mm --> 12.7mm diagonal
We can see 1/2.3" sensor in rumors.

6/1.4 lens will corresponds to 35mm on full frame camera
02-01-2011, 06:54 AM   #123
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QuoteOriginally posted by uccemebug Quote
I can't decide if that camera's "so ugly it's kinda cool" or even misses that mark.
Oh it's ugly, it looks like it stepped right out of 1993. I hope it's just a wooden model they were using to show their lenses. Like some generic Panalympus.
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That Kenko camera makes no sense to me at all. With a sensor that small why bother with interchangeable lenses at all? You'll have next to no DOF control no matter what lens you mount on it. The only thing that will really change is the field of view. I'd rather just get the Olympus X-Z1 with it's f/1.8-f/2.5 28-112mm eqv lens and not fiddle with changing lenses at all.

I really don't see a point in interchangeable lens cameras if the sensor is smaller than 4/3's. Interchangeable lenses = a system, and 4/3's is the absolute smallest sensor I would consider buying in to. I think a camera with a 2/3's size sensor with an 28-120mm f/2-f/2.8 zoom would be ideal for those willing to sacrifice IQ in the name of small size, but interchangeable lenses? Why bother?

More interesting to me is the fact that Ricoh is about to announce a Leica M module.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Art Vandelay II Quote
That Kenko camera makes no sense to me at all. With a sensor that small why bother with interchangeable lenses at all? You'll have next to no DOF control no matter what lens you mount on it. The only thing that will really change is the field of view. I'd rather just get the Olympus X-Z1 with it's f/1.8-f/2.5 28-112mm eqv lens and not fiddle with changing lenses at all.

I really don't see a point in interchangeable lens cameras if the sensor is smaller than 4/3's. Interchangeable lenses = a system, and 4/3's is the absolute smallest sensor I would consider buying in to. I think a camera with a 2/3's size sensor with an 28-120mm f/2-f/2.8 zoom would be ideal for those willing to sacrifice IQ in the name of small size, but interchangeable lenses? Why bother?

More interesting to me is the fact that Ricoh is about to announce a Leica M module.
see quote a few posts up from the article "Japanese women like small things"

I agree on the Ricoh module pretty cool idea and lets you shoot all that great glass with something that will likely be just a little more reasonable than an m8 or m9
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I agree on the Ricoh module pretty cool idea and lets you shoot all that great glass with something that will likely be just a little more reasonable than an m8 or m9
Only problem is I read it's going to be APS-C. While that's not the end of the world; APS-H or full frame would be preferred.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Art Vandelay II Quote
Only problem is I read it's going to be APS-C. While that's not the end of the world; APS-H or full frame would be preferred.

then it would be a competitor for the used epsons and m8's not an m9 alternative

Epson is rumoured to be looking at making another one. I would imagine they would go FF this time if they do
Really I'd rather see a Fuji/Bessa partnership with FF foveon sensor, that could be some machine
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The big question is after wich market Pentax is interested?Here we are talking Volume not niche!
I do not believe their strategy is to go after user of DSLR but after P&S that want to upgrade but still want small form. Yes some DSLR User will buy some of the smaller camera but the bulk of the volume will be new P&S user.
NOw they could have 2 model one under the K-R and one with more function with a price higher than the K-R . Similar to what they do in DSLR

The lower end model with one kit lense will sell for about $400-500 and the higher end model with more function and probably 2 kit lenses for $800,

If Kenko come with all these lens , I am almost certain that Pentax name will be on some of them. Kenko is close related to Pentax , we know this. And we also know Tokina do not produce K-mount lenses and is part of Kenko. AS we can see we start to have a 3tier marketing platform

Here what the Pentax line could be

Pentax C-R low end Evil Camera
Pentax K-R amateur DSLR
Pentax C-5 enthousiast Evil Camera
Pentax K-5 Semi pro
Pentax ??? Pro camera
Pentax 645D Specialty


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Why the three question mark? It's called 645D.
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I forgot about the 645D but for me it's a specialty camera. I just added in my post
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QuoteOriginally posted by bobmaxja Quote
I forgot about the 645D but for me it's a specialty camera. I just added in my post
i think the 645d will be the Pentax pro camera (possibly with more than one version as time passes - ie a ff 645 then 6x7 possibly as sensor tech allows at a reasonable price - ff 645 is already out with phase one), the medium formats were always their pro line. the only 35mm that was truly pro at the time was the lx, since than advanced enthusiast has been as high as it goes
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QuoteOriginally posted by Art Vandelay II Quote
That Kenko camera makes no sense to me at all.
To me it does, after I read the DC watch page with the 30000 yen price for the camera. It's a toy, made for having fun with photography. It's like a compact injected with some playful aspect of the hobby, like going to flea market to find old used lenses, or putting on a microscope, a telescope, a coke bottle and see what happens. For me, I can't wait to see what's the quality of the camera to use it for digiscoping, but also to use it like a compact camera.

The only thing that bothers me is the 14MP size, that is prne to diffraction at large apertures. I would have greatly preferred a 4-5 megapixel, but I guess no one is producing that kind of sensor.
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some more pics up of the Kenko. man it's ugly. but it could be refined and marketed in say a similar form to the 110 super (the small sensor wouldn't be far off 110 film for DOF performance and should actually produce a sharper cleaner image than 110 film) really as something different than every one else this would qualify. it doesn't rule out a more sophisticated apsc model as they are supposed to announce 2 models this year. the Kenko wil have a Nikon FaT adapter as well apparently (shown with the Tokinas) so nothing to stop a kmount adapter as well (would allow some pretty serious magnification with a 300mm lens being in the range of a 1750mm

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Oh it's ugly, it looks like it stepped right out of 1993.
Yeah .. just like their current film camera offerings.

Kenko SLR

Could be a fun toy, though. I imagine it'd have a 6MP mode as well.
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