Originally posted by er1kksen God forbid any camera would overtake the mighty Pentax! Haha, I kid. But having bounced around from brand to brand, like you, I've come to appreciate any new technology or idea coming from any brand. I'm just honestly curious as to the context of nostatic's statement, which said that the G1 trumps the K20D/31mm Ltd combo in some instances (not to worry, nostatic, my friend, I did not miss the "some" qualifier in what you said). He meant that it focuses better in low light than Pentax. No surprise there, really, at least for me.
Originally posted by nostatic True. While I'm at it, I should just toss out my DLux4 (and smash up my old Dlux3, which took most of the photos in my Hong Kong set) as there is no way that it can hold a candle to a dSLR. I have been absorbed. All our limiteds are belong to us.
Oh, but the FF offerings from Sony and Canikon are overpriced and don't deliver either. Obviously Pentax, especially the 10mp CCD iterations, are the pinnacle
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the G1. You actually handled yourself pretty well a couple of posts back there. Kudos.
Anyway, I do think Samsung's sensor is the clearer winner over the Sony 10MP job, though by no means am I dissing the Sony sensor (I'm still using it, anyway).
Originally posted by deadwolfbones I'm testing a G1 right now for a review and while it's a fun camera to use, it suffers from typical Panasonic problems (i.e., excessive image noise/noise reduction smearing), albeit less so than their point & shoots (which you'd expect given the much, much lower pixel density). I'm not too impressed with the kit lens, and I really miss the viewfinder, though the articulated screen is very nice. The EVF is crap, as always.
It can produce some nice looking images (cf. the shot of the glass from nostatic), but just check out the noise issues in the photo above that one.
Certainly not worth $800.
edit: and I certainly don't see how it's any more uncomplicated than a K200D or K20D on Auto.
I've gotta try that EVF. It's getting mixed reviews. But I do agree that Panasonic's image processing pipeline (is it still another incarnation of the Venus engine?) is one of the worse ones in the industry, which makes me hesitant to get the G1 (along with no in-body stabilization and the price) and wait for Olympus' take on it instead.
Originally posted by nostatic Defensive? Mostly just annoyed when someone puts words in my mouth and then says "please go home now." I should know better than to argue on the interwebs though...mea culpa.
Again, I never said that the G1 is the equal of the K20d. I said that a in a few shots it outdid the K20d. There is a difference. People seem to be reading their own "attack" into what I wrote.
The G1 is *very* good at what it is. It is not a replacement for some of what you might need a dSLR to do, but my guess is that it would be a better fit for some. And in my brief messing with the camera, I found the metering and AF to be superior to the Pentax in low light. That doesn't mean I can't get a better image out of the K20d, but frankly I have to pay attention to what I'm doing.
And I'm not sure how I'm being considered a G1 fanboy. I actually own/shoot Pentax. But I'm not blind to other systems. I could see a place for u4/3 in my style of shooting, as it is small/light/unobtrusive and gives iq that is a notch above a small sensor. I wouldn't do product shots or want to print 4'x5' with it, but I don't do that anyway. I do often print 24"x36" from my K20d (and p&s for that matter), often with quite good results. Specs don't tell the whole story...
The G1 should do well as a street shooter. Small, unintrusive, and I think the blue or red models would even be more ignored by people who're used to associating big black DSLRs as professional cameras.
And I'm pretty sure the G1 can do 24"x36" prints, as long as the shooter gets it right, which is the case with all cameras, regardless of brand.
My ideal m4/3 camera would be something like Olympus has shown as a prototype, along with their 25mm pancake, and a flexible viewfinder turret accessory on top, much like how rangefinders were way back. Of course, it's a given that Olympus will include in-body stabilization with their iteration, as well.
But no orange color for me, please. I'd rather Olympus go retro and do a black and chrome color scheme for it.
Originally posted by jsherman999 Well spoken, nostatic.
It seems (from images/discussion here and elsewhere) that the most accurate classification for the G1 is: The Ultimate Bridge Camera (which is a compliment.)
Panasonic is incredibly innovative, but I don't know if this sensor iteration is quite there yet. I have a TZ3, and at ISO 100 outdoors, with that little Leica-branded piece of glass - it looks DSLR-like. ISO 250+, and it falls away fast. This G1 is better from the reviews I've read, but it's not looking like The One. (It Might be The One's granddad, though.)
Can't wait for the G2 or G3!
That being said, in a moment of weakness, I could see myself buying this sexy G1.
Hold off for Olympus' take, I think. I rather like Olympus' image processing pipeline better, I'm expecting in-body stabilization, and Olympus, while not the best in terms of pricing their products, do have a better understanding of good pricing compared to Panasonic.
The new sensor seems to have improved over the 10MP NMOS sensor Panasonic was providing 4/3 cameras recently. I'm not seeing the patterned noise of the old E-510 I used to have at high ISOs, though this may be a function of Panasonic's image processing, too.