Pentax News...Something Interesting..Really!

Richard Day · 10-14-2007, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by thosan

Hmm, this thread and the K20D thread has put some doubts in my mind. I was pretty set on upgrading from my canon s3 is to a K10D with the kit lens and a tamron 70-300.
But since I'm a bit of a gadget freak and always like new a shiny stuff, i can't decide if i should go with the K10D or wait and see what they announce in January.
Decision, decisions....

You might have to wait a few months after that before you can get it! The K10D was announced at PMA 06 and the first ones started to appear in November!

However, if you wait 'till January, the K10D may be a bit cheaper by then, but I think it's a great deal now, I bought mine in Nov last year and it's been a fantastic camera, I loved my istD, but it always frustrated the heck out of me, no frustrations with the K10D!

Richard Day · 10-14-2007, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by Richard Day

So did I, but it was announced at PMA in February 06!

Maybe the next new one will be similar?

Originally posted by and

You dont mean "one of the new cameras" .... ?
I dont see myself updating my k10d to a k20d, but if they came up with a k1d as well then I doubt I would be able to resist. I had/have the DS and didnt feel like upgrading when the k100d came out. but the k10d was a class above and that justified the upgrade. I think the new body will have to be a performance and price class above the k10d for me to justify having to upgrade.

I won't want the new lower model, just (maybe) the replacement K20D (as you call it).

and · 10-14-2007, 04:16 AM

ugh... no new model above k10d then huh...

We need an upgrade path, more than two different models in the lineup. 3 should be ok. 1 k100d level, 1 k10d level (1000 usd) and one > k10d level (1700-2000 usd)

Richard Day · 10-14-2007, 04:28 AM

Originally posted by and

ugh... no new model above k10d then huh...

We need an upgrade path, more than two different models in the lineup. 3 should be ok. 1 k100d level, 1 k10d level (1000 usd) and one > k10d level (1700-2000 usd)

Stop thinking half-empty glass, think like an engineer, i.e. the glass is the correct size!

What if the US$1000 is equivalent to a $1700-2000 model? Would you not buy it? Or is the actual price your method of choice (I do hope not!)?

PaulAndAPentax · 10-14-2007, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by Richard Day

The K10D is great value at the moment, it's price has dropped a fair amount since introduction and is a huge improvement over the istD models in ALL respects (I had an istD, now belongs to one of my sons).

The likelyhood that an upgrade/replacement for the K10D will be at a similar price point for some while is most unlikely. If you can afford to spend a fair bit more (30%?) than the K10D now costs and are happy with your *ist body for the interim period (could be late spring before new bodies are really available) then I'd wait until then.

Personally I will probably get the new camera (unless it's a dog of course!

) and keep my K10D as a second body.

This is my plan. Upgrade and use the 10D for a backup body. Hopefully there will be a 1d or a 5d or something. If the next cam is below the 10D in terms of features, the only way I'd buy is if it had something the 10D did not that I wanted such as faster AF or higher fps.

regken · 10-14-2007, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Richard Day

You might have to wait a few months after that before you can get it! The K10D was announced at PMA 06 and the first ones started to appear in November!

Richard,
You took me to task and said I was looking at less than a half empty glass when I said we will not "SEE" a new camera until July/ August. Now you seem to be backing off and saying we will have an announcement at PMA but may not "SEE" it till November. That is more pessimistic than me LOL! If, as you say, Hoya is dropping money into Pentax now I'd expect to see the new bodies by July.

Regards,

Ken

ycl · 10-14-2007, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by Richard Day

Stop thinking half-empty glass, think like an engineer, i.e. the glass is the correct size!

:

Is this a hint of a forthcoming Pentax full-frame, or am I reading too much into it?

and · 10-14-2007, 06:15 AM

If they make a 1000 dollar camera that blows away the Nikon D300 and has some of the features that I am looking for (fast sync speed for instance) then yea. Im just saying that sure Pentax has great value and this is good, but we cannot expect the world from a 1000 dollar camera. if they can make a 1000 dollar camera that has the same features as the 1700 dollar d300, then I would still be interested in a 1700 dollar petntax that has the features of a 3000 dollar camera

Duplo · 10-14-2007, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by and

If they make a 1000 dollar camera that blows away the Nikon D300 and has some of the features that I am looking for (fast sync speed for instance) then yea. Im just saying that sure Pentax has great value and this is good, but we cannot expect the world from a 1000 dollar camera. if they can make a 1000 dollar camera that has the same features as the 1700 dollar d300, then I would still be interested in a 1700 dollar petntax that has the features of a 3000 dollar camera

Or why not a 3000 doller camera that has the feature set of a 5000 one

and · 10-14-2007, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Duplo

Or why not a 3000 doller camera that has the feature set of a 5000 one

Because then it would be more expensive than a Canon 5D, in that case it better be FF. But since they dont seem to be making one...

RMabo · 10-14-2007, 08:27 AM

According to the interview from this spring published in DC Watch Impress, Pentax was working on a christmas release, but Hoya obvously re-scheduled the plans so now we will have a January announcement instead of the september/october announcement. In the spring interview, Pentax was talking about two new models - both upgrades/replacement for the K100D and K10D, and one body positioned above the K10D.. The upgrades/replacements for K100D and K10D were "almost ready", design and features were fixed, and the new flagship model had status "design and features not yet fixed", suggesting a release later 2008 (I believe fall 2008, for the Photokina show).

Instead of the K100D upgrade/replacement, we got a K100D Super. A quite inexpensive way for Pentax to borrow time to finishing the true upgrade/replacement model, and I do believe in a spring release. (especially since it was originally planned for release this fall).

Same thing with the K10D upgrade/replacement, I believe in a spring release for this body too.
July/August or November 2008 seems to be too pessimistic. That would be a whole year after the design and features were fixed.

Now, what should Samsung do? Continue selling the outdated GX-1L and GX-1S, with only the GX-10 with up-to-date-technology? I doubt that Pentax allows Samsung to release their bodies before Pentax release theirs.

Samsung can't afford waiting for fall 2008, they are too aggressive in character for that.
I believe a spring release for them too.

Well, there's always the possibility that Hoya are pushing development of the new flagship so the "K1D" or whatever it will be called, will be released earlier - but if they give more priority to this than the K10D replacement/upgrade, then they have changed the original plan announced in the DC Watch Impress interview.

Take care
R

anomaly · 10-14-2007, 09:01 AM

It is good to see that hoya seems to be behind the camera business.

When you think about it, it makes sense. They are diversifying, which is a part of growth. It would be silly to do away with a profitable camera department which gets dropped in their lap ready made.

Miserere · 10-14-2007, 05:28 PM

Mathematical series analysis leads me to believe that Pentax will release 1 new model, and then disappear as a company. Why? Their digital camera line-up has evolved thusly: K1000D --> K100D --> K10D --> ... The nex one will be the K1D. And after that? They cannot release the K0.1D, because that's just silly, so they'll have worked themselves into a corner where they'll crumble and die.

That's my mathematical take on all this.

ZaphodB · 10-14-2007, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Miserere

They cannot release the K0.1D, because that's just silly

But... this is the company that gave us the fantastic name "*Ist"... I'm sure they can manage a K0.0001D, or think of another sensible name like the Pentax ∏.

Donald · 10-14-2007, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

... But come January Pentax are going to drop a very beautiful yet potent bomb on the DSL industry. ...

here's my unsolicited advice to Pentoya marketing:

Don't refer to your new products as "bombs". Colloquially, a bomb is something that does not do well, often used in reference to abject failures.

Be careful in your attempts with earned media.

10-14-2007, 05:48 AM	#112
ycl Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: NY, NY, USA Posts: 37	Intriguing Originally posted by Richard Day Stop thinking half-empty glass, think like an engineer, i.e. the glass is the correct size! : Is this a hint of a forthcoming Pentax full-frame, or am I reading too much into it?

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10-14-2007, 03:53 AM	#106
Richard Day Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gloucester UK Posts: 441	Originally posted by thosan Hmm, this thread and the K20D thread has put some doubts in my mind. I was pretty set on upgrading from my canon s3 is to a K10D with the kit lens and a tamron 70-300. But since I'm a bit of a gadget freak and always like new a shiny stuff, i can't decide if i should go with the K10D or wait and see what they announce in January. Decision, decisions.... You might have to wait a few months after that before you can get it! The K10D was announced at PMA 06 and the first ones started to appear in November! However, if you wait 'till January, the K10D may be a bit cheaper by then, but I think it's a great deal now, I bought mine in Nov last year and it's been a fantastic camera, I loved my istD, but it always frustrated the heck out of me, no frustrations with the K10D!

10-14-2007, 03:59 AM	#107
Richard Day Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gloucester UK Posts: 441	Originally posted by Richard Day So did I, but it was announced at PMA in February 06! Maybe the next new one will be similar? Originally posted by and You dont mean "one of the new cameras" .... ? I dont see myself updating my k10d to a k20d, but if they came up with a k1d as well then I doubt I would be able to resist. I had/have the DS and didnt feel like upgrading when the k100d came out. but the k10d was a class above and that justified the upgrade. I think the new body will have to be a performance and price class above the k10d for me to justify having to upgrade. I won't want the new lower model, just (maybe) the replacement K20D (as you call it).

10-14-2007, 04:16 AM	#108
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	ugh... no new model above k10d then huh... We need an upgrade path, more than two different models in the lineup. 3 should be ok. 1 k100d level, 1 k10d level (1000 usd) and one > k10d level (1700-2000 usd)

10-14-2007, 04:28 AM	#109
Richard Day Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gloucester UK Posts: 441	Originally posted by and ugh... no new model above k10d then huh... We need an upgrade path, more than two different models in the lineup. 3 should be ok. 1 k100d level, 1 k10d level (1000 usd) and one > k10d level (1700-2000 usd) Stop thinking half-empty glass, think like an engineer, i.e. the glass is the correct size! What if the US$1000 is equivalent to a $1700-2000 model? Would you not buy it? Or is the actual price your method of choice (I do hope not!)?

10-14-2007, 05:24 AM	#110
PaulAndAPentax Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 390	Originally posted by Richard Day The K10D is great value at the moment, it's price has dropped a fair amount since introduction and is a huge improvement over the istD models in ALL respects (I had an istD, now belongs to one of my sons). The likelyhood that an upgrade/replacement for the K10D will be at a similar price point for some while is most unlikely. If you can afford to spend a fair bit more (30%?) than the K10D now costs and are happy with your *ist body for the interim period (could be late spring before new bodies are really available) then I'd wait until then. Personally I will probably get the new camera (unless it's a dog of course! ) and keep my K10D as a second body. This is my plan. Upgrade and use the 10D for a backup body. Hopefully there will be a 1d or a 5d or something. If the next cam is below the 10D in terms of features, the only way I'd buy is if it had something the 10D did not that I wanted such as faster AF or higher fps.

10-14-2007, 05:43 AM	#111
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	Originally posted by Richard Day You might have to wait a few months after that before you can get it! The K10D was announced at PMA 06 and the first ones started to appear in November! Richard, You took me to task and said I was looking at less than a half empty glass when I said we will not "SEE" a new camera until July/ August. Now you seem to be backing off and saying we will have an announcement at PMA but may not "SEE" it till November. That is more pessimistic than me LOL! If, as you say, Hoya is dropping money into Pentax now I'd expect to see the new bodies by July. Regards, Ken

10-14-2007, 06:15 AM	#113
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	If they make a 1000 dollar camera that blows away the Nikon D300 and has some of the features that I am looking for (fast sync speed for instance) then yea. Im just saying that sure Pentax has great value and this is good, but we cannot expect the world from a 1000 dollar camera. if they can make a 1000 dollar camera that has the same features as the 1700 dollar d300, then I would still be interested in a 1700 dollar petntax that has the features of a 3000 dollar camera

10-14-2007, 07:54 AM	#114
Duplo Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Copenhagen Photos: Gallery Posts: 924	Originally posted by and If they make a 1000 dollar camera that blows away the Nikon D300 and has some of the features that I am looking for (fast sync speed for instance) then yea. Im just saying that sure Pentax has great value and this is good, but we cannot expect the world from a 1000 dollar camera. if they can make a 1000 dollar camera that has the same features as the 1700 dollar d300, then I would still be interested in a 1700 dollar petntax that has the features of a 3000 dollar camera Or why not a 3000 doller camera that has the feature set of a 5000 one

10-14-2007, 08:16 AM	#115
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	Originally posted by Duplo Or why not a 3000 doller camera that has the feature set of a 5000 one Because then it would be more expensive than a Canon 5D, in that case it better be FF. But since they dont seem to be making one...

10-14-2007, 08:27 AM	#116
RMabo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 845	According to the interview from this spring published in DC Watch Impress, Pentax was working on a christmas release, but Hoya obvously re-scheduled the plans so now we will have a January announcement instead of the september/october announcement. In the spring interview, Pentax was talking about two new models - both upgrades/replacement for the K100D and K10D, and one body positioned above the K10D.. The upgrades/replacements for K100D and K10D were "almost ready", design and features were fixed, and the new flagship model had status "design and features not yet fixed", suggesting a release later 2008 (I believe fall 2008, for the Photokina show). Instead of the K100D upgrade/replacement, we got a K100D Super. A quite inexpensive way for Pentax to borrow time to finishing the true upgrade/replacement model, and I do believe in a spring release. (especially since it was originally planned for release this fall). Same thing with the K10D upgrade/replacement, I believe in a spring release for this body too. July/August or November 2008 seems to be too pessimistic. That would be a whole year after the design and features were fixed. Now, what should Samsung do? Continue selling the outdated GX-1L and GX-1S, with only the GX-10 with up-to-date-technology? I doubt that Pentax allows Samsung to release their bodies before Pentax release theirs. Samsung can't afford waiting for fall 2008, they are too aggressive in character for that. I believe a spring release for them too. Well, there's always the possibility that Hoya are pushing development of the new flagship so the "K1D" or whatever it will be called, will be released earlier - but if they give more priority to this than the K10D replacement/upgrade, then they have changed the original plan announced in the DC Watch Impress interview. Take care R

10-14-2007, 09:01 AM	#117
anomaly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Barbados Photos: Gallery Posts: 264	It is good to see that hoya seems to be behind the camera business. When you think about it, it makes sense. They are diversifying, which is a part of growth. It would be silly to do away with a profitable camera department which gets dropped in their lap ready made.

10-14-2007, 05:28 PM	#118
Miserere Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,993	Mathematical series analysis leads me to believe that Pentax will release 1 new model, and then disappear as a company. Why? Their digital camera line-up has evolved thusly: K1000D --> K100D --> K10D --> ... The nex one will be the K1D. And after that? They cannot release the K0.1D, because that's just silly, so they'll have worked themselves into a corner where they'll crumble and die. That's my mathematical take on all this.

10-14-2007, 05:58 PM	#119
ZaphodB Inactive Account Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 264	Originally posted by Miserere They cannot release the K0.1D, because that's just silly But... this is the company that gave us the fantastic name "*Ist"... I'm sure they can manage a K0.0001D, or think of another sensible name like the Pentax ∏.

10-14-2007, 07:53 PM	#120
Donald Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 329	Originally posted by benjikan ... But come January Pentax are going to drop a very beautiful yet potent bomb on the DSL industry. ... here's my unsolicited advice to Pentoya marketing: Don't refer to your new products as "bombs". Colloquially, a bomb is something that does not do well, often used in reference to abject failures. Be careful in your attempts with earned media.