Originally posted by falconeye WRT operating range. It would be a pitty if the AF cannot exploit its fabulous sensitvity just because some lenses are too slow.
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Ok, all of this shooting light into the eyepiece is interesting, but it really isn't very deterministic of much, IMO. The light that you pass through the eyepiece is likely ending up getting to the mirror and probably also to the PDAF module, but not in any sort of known or controllable manner, which means that you might see all sorts of odd results doing this depending upon many different variables.
Anyway, it seems to me that there is a good way to test the reduced light theory which also contols lens and light color variables, and which may also reveal a work-around, depending on the results:
1. Select the FA 50 f1.4, or a good fast prime lens with an aperture ring and max aperture under f2.0.
2. Setup a test lit with balanced light that is not dominated by one wavelength. It would be nice to know if the camera is calibrated closer to daylight or more like the older cameras at 2856K, but for this test, this is not so important, and we can retest in different color temps if we want.
3. I'm thinking that the light seen by the camera should be about EV3, f1.4. Set the shutter to get a good exposures based upon the test target chosen.
4. Set the lens to manual aperture selection, f1.4 and also set MF to on.
5. Manual focus the lens at f1.4 EV3 until the focus indicator light shows focus lock. Take test images.
6. Move the aperture to f2.0 and then re-focus, once again using the focus indicator to know when the AF system thinks the subject is in focus.
7. Without disturbing the focus, carefully move the aperture back to f1.4 and take more test images.
8. Repeat for f2.8, f4.0, and f5.6.
This method removes the lens and color temp variables and simply progressively delivers 4 less stops of light to the AF and color sensing system during the manual focus process. The result will be focus tests taken from EV 3 to EV-1 which are based upon what the AF system thought was in focus at each reduced light level but
at the same color temp, but with the same lens.
You can repeat the test with a different color light source to see if the result is the same or similar.
Most interesting would be the result that the system indicates the proper focus points this way, especially if the test results are similar at a higher and lower color temp.
If the result is that the MF focus lock is fine this way or the step to FF is not present, then one answer might be that the color sensor is not engaged when the AF lever is set to AFM.
That would be a solid work-around were it to turn out to be true.
If the color sensor is not engaged, I would stiil expect that the AF point would move towards FF as the color temp is reduced, but in a more progressive fashion
just like every other Pentax model of the past that I have used and also like many other brands. The reasons for this shift (and the reason Pentax designed in a color sensing system) are described in the patent, and make sense optically, but the effect is progressive based upon wavelength and does not have the step seen with the K5.
I no longer have a K5 or I would have set this up and tried it already.
Ray