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02-25-2011, 10:10 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by eurostar Quote
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It was to be expected, Nex and SLT's. I handled both for a short time. If Pentax goes that way then put in a way faster processor, since it's nice to have 10 fps, but you can't see anything.

Are they leving the Full Frame format?
No one has put a FF on the market since 15 months ago.
It does seems that FF format has lost some of its momentum in last few years. Look at Canon FF lineup they haven't upgraded their 1Ds series for almost 4 years.

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It does seems that FF format has lost some of its momentum in last few years. Look at Canon FF lineup they haven't upgraded their 1Ds series for almost 4 years.
3.5 year. It's normal. Canon has 3 year cycle to upgrade high-end models.
Nikon, Canon and Sony will offer new FF cameras close to PMA2011

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3.5 year. It's normal. Canon has 3 year cycle to upgrade high-end models.
Nikon, Canon and Sony will offer new FF cameras close to Photokina.
Yes. And before that we have Canon and Nikon replacements for their topend 7D and D300s to come. (Q3 this year?)

They can be expected to seriously rock boats as new gen trendsetters on the crop scene.

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hopefully canon get into the game with their aps-c sensors, we need competition for Sony's kick arse sensor tech.

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3.5 year. It's normal. Canon has 3 year cycle to upgrade high-end models.
Nikon, Canon and Sony will offer new FF cameras close to Photokina.
Photokina is next year, if so, when they will come out there hasn't been any new FF on the market for 32 months.
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Photokina is next year, if so, when they will come out there hasn't been any new FF on the market for 32 months.
OK. PMA 2011. = CLiQ2011 - this September, from 6 till 11.
http://www.cliqworld.com/events/cliq-2011.aspx

But, I think new cameras could be launched earlier - May or August.
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Then it will be "just" 20 months. It's true that a FF camera has a longer market life than an APS-C one, but here we are not talking about single cameras, we are talking about the whole market... I see a big lack of interest in FF cameras at large.
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Then it will be "just" 20 months. It's true that a FF camera has a longer market life than an APS-C one, but here we are not talking about single cameras, we are talking about the whole market... I see a big lack of interest in FF cameras at large.
And why not? When the manufacturers think that FF means this, how many buyers are there, really. Hmm, those buyers would probably be put off if they announced a new model every eighteen months.

At the same time, I bet their losses on those models are phenomenal. I suspect that it's starting to sink in with the manufacturers that the "pro" segment ain't what it used to be. Outlets for pros are becoming fewer and fewer. It's been said that there's no such thing as a photojournalist any more. In Japan, wedding photographers are not even considered pros, and the two that shot my reception there were using film.

Who knows, maybe they'll surprise us by coming up with compact FF DSLR's once they've given up on selling the current monsters.

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I read somewhere that the market for FF was 700.000 numbers in 2009, that is for Nikon, Canon and Sony (and a few Leica) all together.

In last years sales (Japan) only the 5D-Mk II was in top 20 ranking with 1.8% marketshare.

I found a nice article off 2009
https://www.lensrentals.com/news/2009.04.24/state-of-the-slr-industry-2009

I was at a reading from a sportsphotographer, who does Olympics and World Cup Soccer and he still uses D3 and didn't buy into D3x or D3s. He just a few days a year rented a D3x for teamshot before season start. Simply there is a lot less money into the bussiness the last two years.
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Then it will be "just" 20 months. It's true that a FF camera has a longer market life than an APS-C one, but here we are not talking about single cameras, we are talking about the whole market... I see a big lack of interest in FF cameras at large.
Except for boat anchors, maybe? I always saw FF as a redundant format, a dodo like spiral of destiny in slow motion, it's place usurped by the smarter more versatile and efficient crop.

Still, it was a bit surprising how it seemed to take so few years for the whole lens scene to be majority dominated by availability of new 135 format lenses dedicated from factory that only suit crop.

And with little Pentax recently proving that medium format can be made and marketed at low(er) cost, the ones with deep pockets can just about jump straight up to that world.

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An interesting article, it would be interesting to see a 2011 version. Having spent the past five years earning a living in Japan (well okay, the last year not so much!) the high yen's been all gravy for me. I tend to forget the impact it's got on the price of higher-end gear (like those big FF SLR's).
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Nikon announced 9 lenses last year, 8 of them were FF

Canon announced 5 lenses last year and 3 so far this year, they were all FF

Yeah, FF is dead.
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Well, I don't think FF is dead (maybe a little ill).
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