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Branimir · 10-30-2007, 04:14 PM

That's the brown one? With leather case?
Sorry, but no thanx

Arpe · 10-30-2007, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Why? Would you sincerely expect Pentax being able to go against Nikon/Canon on FPS speed just now? Would even buy the camera since there's lack of long pro lens anyway?

Actually it's more the AF accuracy/speed/prediction capability I want, not so much the FPS, but more would be nice.

When I bought my DS 3 years ago I didn't know I would be doing what I want to do, I also didn't know about the lack of Pentax glass.

**Marc Langille** · 10-30-2007, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by codiac2600

<snip>...
Remember this, Hoya makes nearly all the glass blanks for all the big name camera manufacturers and Pentax is now a subsidiary of Hoya and the cost of moving those blanks to Pentax's factory is going to be at cost. No one has really brought up that fact and I'm surprised so I guess I'll do it.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-releases/13173-pentax-news-so...tml#post104832

"... Remember: Hoya is a huge supplier of lens blanks for many companies, including the "big two". That merger only spells major positives, especially for Pentax. Think about it - Hoya can now give Pentax their lens blanks at cost... because they own Pentax..."

I guess my comment was for naught... <sniff> Just giving you a hard time Chris...

Quote:

Pentax has also gotten tons of semi-conductor parts from Samsung, which is one of the largest companies in that area, hence the trade for camera technologies. Another point no one brought up, don't know why not? Pentax signed a huge deal with the largest maker of gyroscopic properties a few months back to improve their shake reduction technology.

The pieces of the puzzle are there and here is Hoya's stance, "Pentax will be the next earnings driver under Hoya's skillful management!"

You won't be dissapointed, you'll be very happy indeed, just a single FPS on one body and 2 on another which is still super fast and faster than right now.

Seriously though, I am looking forward the the news releases, and the future of Pentax very much! Well said Chris! Even if you are a Pentax militant...

Cheers,
Marc

codiac2600 · 10-30-2007, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by 35mmfilm_user

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-releases/13173-pentax-news-so...tml#post104832

"... Remember: Hoya is a huge supplier of lens blanks for many companies, including the "big two". That merger only spells major positives, especially for Pentax. Think about it - Hoya can now give Pentax their lens blanks at cost... because they own Pentax..."

I guess my comment was for naught... <sniff> Just giving you a hard time Chris...

Seriously though, I am looking forward the the news releases, and the future of Pentax very much! Well said Chris! Even if you are a Pentax militant...

Cheers,
Marc

Darn you got me Marc! Oh well, it takes extra voice to get things across sometimes.

vinzer · 10-30-2007, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by codiac2600

(snip)...but it does have to have one thing and thats value and it will for the prices the new bodies should hit the market for...(snip)

Chris, you don't know how much I'm hanging onto these words. Haha.

I always thought that Pentax would help itself by remaining the value leader among camera manufacturers. Hoya probably has some tricks up its sleeve to keep manufacturing costs down, and maybe the cooperation with Samsung might also help offset the costs of R&D. If Hoya can keep the synergy between Hoya's manufacturing efficiency and quality control, Samsung's electronics expertise, and Pentax's superb engineering, then they could realistically release a K10D upgrade that's, well, like the K10D is now: good value for the money, and possibly good enough for fence-sitters to choose that over the 40D, D300, and E-3.

And then Pentax can now release another body at the price point of the D300 with an even broader feature set, possibly gunning for superior IQ, possibly putting a dent in Canon's 5D/5D's upgrade sales.

What I'm curious to know is what the K100D Super upgrade will be, or will it stay as it is for the next year as it is. I still believe this segment of the market still rakes in the most money, and gives consumers a foothold in the whole DSLR system. The D3 or 1Ds Mk III isn't what keeps Nikon or Canon afloat, respectively, but the D40x and the 400D.

Thoughts?

RMabo · 10-30-2007, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by vinzer

What I'm curious to know is what the K100D Super upgrade will be, or will it stay as it is for the next year as it is.

My understanding of the K100D Super is that it was a "quick-job" to make the camera survive a little bit longer on the market - because the "real" upgrade was delayed. I expect SDM, anti-dust-shaker, with an APS-C sensor (Sony 10Mp, same as in K10D?) with the same chassi as K100D, but different exterior (but still with the familiar Pentax "look"), improvement in buffer, faster memory, PRIME-engine. Live-view would be welcomed by the target market, but could mean a too heavy increase in price. When? Summer 2008?

jake123 · 10-31-2007, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by RMabo

My understanding of the K100D Super is that it was a "quick-job" to make the camera survive a little bit longer on the market - because the "real" upgrade was delayed. I expect SDM, anti-dust-shaker, with an APS-C sensor (Sony 10Mp, same as in K10D?) with the same chassi as K100D, but different exterior (but still with the familiar Pentax "look"), improvement in buffer, faster memory, PRIME-engine. Live-view would be welcomed by the target market, but could mean a too heavy increase in price. When? Summer 2008?

thats the k10d

thibs · 11-01-2007, 03:51 AM

Originally posted by jake123

thats the k10d

Maybe, maybe not...

RMabo · 11-01-2007, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by jake123

thats the k10d

What about a "stripped down" K10D with one e-dial instead of two, pentamirror instead of pentaprism, auto picture modes instead of TAv, HyP and Sv-modes. No program-lines. No weather sealing. No LCD-panel on top, only a large 3" LCD at the back.

thibs · 11-01-2007, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by RMabo

What about a "stripped down" K10D with one e-dial instead of two, pentamirror instead of pentaprism, auto picture modes instead of TAv, HyP and Sv-modes. No program-lines. No weather sealing. No LCD-panel on top, only a large 3" LCD at the back.

And the same (or simplified) engine as K10D. Would make sense, very little to do.

vinzer · 11-01-2007, 05:32 PM

Well, those are good ideas, but I would hope that Pentax keeps the top LCD on all its DSLRs. Dunno, I guess I'm just not used to looking at settings using the rear LCD. I tried a friend's 400D, and the rear LCD thing just doesn't cut it for me.

But, yeah, that's just me.

ZaphodB · 11-02-2007, 03:31 AM

Yeah I hope they keep the top LCD. Just because Nikon can apparently tell its customers "Nah you don't want that really, trust us", doesn't mean Pentax should too

thibs · 11-02-2007, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by ZaphodB

Yeah I hope they keep the top LCD. Just because Nikon can apparently tell its customers "Nah you don't want that really, trust us", doesn't mean Pentax should too

I prefer losing the top lcd and keeping the K/M lenses compatibility

The film *ist did show its settings on a back lcd.

benjikan · 11-02-2007, 05:45 AM

I most certainly would not want to loose the top lcd. I use it all of the time.

Ben

thibs · 11-02-2007, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

I most certainly would not want to loose the top viewfinder. I use it all of the time.

Ben

Viewfinder or Top LCD ?

IMO for most people in low-end (K100D or hypothetical K1000D) the top LCD is not *that* mandatory. Most people won't ever look at it. The will ook through the voewfinder or the LCD back screen and nothing else.

On a higher end body, it is clear that I would not accept a body without top LCD.

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benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	I most certainly would not want to loose the top lcd. I use it all of the time. Ben Last edited by benjikan; 11-02-2007 at 06:01 AM.

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10-30-2007, 04:14 PM	#61
Branimir Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Zagreb, Croatia Photos: Gallery Posts: 145	That's the brown one? With leather case? Sorry, but no thanx

10-30-2007, 05:01 PM	#62
Arpe Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,452	Originally posted by thibs Why? Would you sincerely expect Pentax being able to go against Nikon/Canon on FPS speed just now? Would even buy the camera since there's lack of long pro lens anyway? Actually it's more the AF accuracy/speed/prediction capability I want, not so much the FPS, but more would be nice. When I bought my DS 3 years ago I didn't know I would be doing what I want to do, I also didn't know about the lack of Pentax glass.

10-30-2007, 05:43 PM	#63
Marc Langille Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NW Arkansas, USA Posts: 4,710	Originally posted by codiac2600 <snip>... Remember this, Hoya makes nearly all the glass blanks for all the big name camera manufacturers and Pentax is now a subsidiary of Hoya and the cost of moving those blanks to Pentax's factory is going to be at cost. No one has really brought up that fact and I'm surprised so I guess I'll do it. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-releases/13173-pentax-news-so...tml#post104832 "... Remember: Hoya is a huge supplier of lens blanks for many companies, including the "big two". That merger only spells major positives, especially for Pentax. Think about it - Hoya can now give Pentax their lens blanks at cost... because they own Pentax..." I guess my comment was for naught... <sniff> Just giving you a hard time Chris... Quote: Pentax has also gotten tons of semi-conductor parts from Samsung, which is one of the largest companies in that area, hence the trade for camera technologies. Another point no one brought up, don't know why not? Pentax signed a huge deal with the largest maker of gyroscopic properties a few months back to improve their shake reduction technology. The pieces of the puzzle are there and here is Hoya's stance, "Pentax will be the next earnings driver under Hoya's skillful management!" You won't be dissapointed, you'll be very happy indeed, just a single FPS on one body and 2 on another which is still super fast and faster than right now. Seriously though, I am looking forward the the news releases, and the future of Pentax very much! Well said Chris! Even if you are a Pentax militant... Cheers, Marc

10-30-2007, 05:50 PM	#64
codiac2600 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 2,027	Originally posted by 35mmfilm_user https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-releases/13173-pentax-news-so...tml#post104832 "... Remember: Hoya is a huge supplier of lens blanks for many companies, including the "big two". That merger only spells major positives, especially for Pentax. Think about it - Hoya can now give Pentax their lens blanks at cost... because they own Pentax..." I guess my comment was for naught... <sniff> Just giving you a hard time Chris... Seriously though, I am looking forward the the news releases, and the future of Pentax very much! Well said Chris! Even if you are a Pentax militant... Cheers, Marc Darn you got me Marc! Oh well, it takes extra voice to get things across sometimes.

10-30-2007, 07:56 PM	#65
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Originally posted by codiac2600 (snip)...but it does have to have one thing and thats value and it will for the prices the new bodies should hit the market for...(snip) Chris, you don't know how much I'm hanging onto these words. Haha. I always thought that Pentax would help itself by remaining the value leader among camera manufacturers. Hoya probably has some tricks up its sleeve to keep manufacturing costs down, and maybe the cooperation with Samsung might also help offset the costs of R&D. If Hoya can keep the synergy between Hoya's manufacturing efficiency and quality control, Samsung's electronics expertise, and Pentax's superb engineering, then they could realistically release a K10D upgrade that's, well, like the K10D is now: good value for the money, and possibly good enough for fence-sitters to choose that over the 40D, D300, and E-3. And then Pentax can now release another body at the price point of the D300 with an even broader feature set, possibly gunning for superior IQ, possibly putting a dent in Canon's 5D/5D's upgrade sales. What I'm curious to know is what the K100D Super upgrade will be, or will it stay as it is for the next year as it is. I still believe this segment of the market still rakes in the most money, and gives consumers a foothold in the whole DSLR system. The D3 or 1Ds Mk III isn't what keeps Nikon or Canon afloat, respectively, but the D40x and the 400D. Thoughts?

10-30-2007, 11:07 PM	#66
RMabo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 845	Originally posted by vinzer What I'm curious to know is what the K100D Super upgrade will be, or will it stay as it is for the next year as it is. My understanding of the K100D Super is that it was a "quick-job" to make the camera survive a little bit longer on the market - because the "real" upgrade was delayed. I expect SDM, anti-dust-shaker, with an APS-C sensor (Sony 10Mp, same as in K10D?) with the same chassi as K100D, but different exterior (but still with the familiar Pentax "look"), improvement in buffer, faster memory, PRIME-engine. Live-view would be welcomed by the target market, but could mean a too heavy increase in price. When? Summer 2008?

10-31-2007, 02:24 PM	#67
jake123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 130	Originally posted by RMabo My understanding of the K100D Super is that it was a "quick-job" to make the camera survive a little bit longer on the market - because the "real" upgrade was delayed. I expect SDM, anti-dust-shaker, with an APS-C sensor (Sony 10Mp, same as in K10D?) with the same chassi as K100D, but different exterior (but still with the familiar Pentax "look"), improvement in buffer, faster memory, PRIME-engine. Live-view would be welcomed by the target market, but could mean a too heavy increase in price. When? Summer 2008? thats the k10d

11-01-2007, 03:51 AM	#68
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by jake123 thats the k10d Maybe, maybe not...

11-01-2007, 11:42 AM	#69
RMabo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 845	Originally posted by jake123 thats the k10d What about a "stripped down" K10D with one e-dial instead of two, pentamirror instead of pentaprism, auto picture modes instead of TAv, HyP and Sv-modes. No program-lines. No weather sealing. No LCD-panel on top, only a large 3" LCD at the back.

11-01-2007, 11:49 AM	#70
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by RMabo What about a "stripped down" K10D with one e-dial instead of two, pentamirror instead of pentaprism, auto picture modes instead of TAv, HyP and Sv-modes. No program-lines. No weather sealing. No LCD-panel on top, only a large 3" LCD at the back. And the same (or simplified) engine as K10D. Would make sense, very little to do.

11-01-2007, 05:32 PM	#71
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Well, those are good ideas, but I would hope that Pentax keeps the top LCD on all its DSLRs. Dunno, I guess I'm just not used to looking at settings using the rear LCD. I tried a friend's 400D, and the rear LCD thing just doesn't cut it for me. But, yeah, that's just me.

11-02-2007, 03:31 AM	#72
ZaphodB Inactive Account Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 264	Yeah I hope they keep the top LCD. Just because Nikon can apparently tell its customers "Nah you don't want that really, trust us", doesn't mean Pentax should too

11-02-2007, 05:32 AM	#73
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by ZaphodB Yeah I hope they keep the top LCD. Just because Nikon can apparently tell its customers "Nah you don't want that really, trust us", doesn't mean Pentax should too I prefer losing the top lcd and keeping the K/M lenses compatibility The film *ist did show its settings on a back lcd.

11-02-2007, 05:57 AM	#75
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by benjikan I most certainly would not want to loose the top viewfinder. I use it all of the time. Ben Viewfinder or Top LCD ? IMO for most people in low-end (K100D or hypothetical K1000D) the top LCD is not that mandatory. Most people won't ever look at it. The will ook through the voewfinder or the LCD back screen and nothing else. On a higher end body, it is clear that I would not accept a body without top LCD.

Paris, Ben, and "those" rumours;)

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