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04-26-2011, 05:46 PM   #61
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QuoteOriginally posted by baldeagle21b Quote
Apparently what FF backers really want is really a relatively inexpensive full frame camera compared to the rest of the market, but economic realities weigh against that for a small maker like Pentax. There are no magic bullets, and a FF Pentax would be priced at at least parity with the other brands, and quite possibly higher. Hoya is not in the practice of giving away its products at cost. Would you pay USD $2900 for one?
If it was in line with the competition like the upcoming replacements for the D700 and the 5D MKII.......no.

I would spend $5800 on TWO of them!

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I would love it if Pentax released a FF camera, but I really doubt that it's going to happen. Even Sony, which has several FF lenses released already, seems to be backing off its full frame lineup, so what does that say about Pentax entering such a market? I think Pentax made it's decision to support the 645D instead of releasing a full frame competitor and that is that.

I'm really hoping that Pentax will release some new primes and an improved flash system more than a new camera. I love the K-5, but the products they have released since then, and the other products rumored to be coming out, are underwhelming so far.
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100% it's a new flash
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QuoteOriginally posted by Urkeldaedalus Quote
I would love it if Pentax released a FF camera, but I really doubt that it's going to happen. Even Sony, which has several FF lenses released already, seems to be backing off its full frame lineup, so what does that say about Pentax entering such a market? I think Pentax made it's decision to support the 645D instead of releasing a full frame competitor and that is that.

I'm really hoping that Pentax will release some new primes and an improved flash system more than a new camera. I love the K-5, but the products they have released since then, and the other products rumored to be coming out, are underwhelming so far.

Totally agree. The K-5 is an excellent camera but the other stuff that Pentax has released or has recent patents for are just so underwheliming. Yes, the DA18-135 was needed the the users of this lens is enjoying it. Still where is the new flash system. Maybe one that has a little bit more power, built-in radio slave control and weather-sealed. Also were is a mast normal lens like a DA*28 (or 30)/1.4 and the super-telephoto like a DA*500. The zooms like a superwide 10-16 and super-long like a 135-400.

Instead we get a toy camera (NC-1) and patents for zooms that have way too much reached (12-35 and 25-330) to have high end quality.

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Totally agree. The K-5 is an excellent camera but the other stuff that Pentax has released or has recent patents for are just so underwheliming. Yes, the DA18-135 was needed the the users of this lens is enjoying it. Still where is the new flash system. Maybe one that has a little bit more power, built-in radio slave control and weather-sealed. Also were is a mast normal lens like a DA*28 (or 30)/1.4 and the super-telephoto like a DA*500. The zooms like a superwide 10-16 and super-long like a 135-400.

Instead we get a toy camera (NC-1) and patents for zooms that have way too much reached (12-35 and 25-330) to have high end quality.
Regarding the normal DA*28 (or 30)/1.4, we already have the FA31/1.8, given the current sensitivity available should we really care about half a stop? The FA31 is a length of legend for a reason, and even if it's big wy pentax standards, it's relatively compact by Canon or Nikon's.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ghelary Quote
Regarding the normal DA*28 (or 30)/1.4, we already have the FA31/1.8, given the current sensitivity available should we really care about half a stop? The FA31 is a length of legend for a reason, and even if it's big wy pentax standards, it's relatively compact by Canon or Nikon's.
But FA31 is little too expensive
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But FA31 is little too expensive
True, just a tiny bit
But a DA*28/1.4 or /2.0 wouldn't be cheap either. Really not.
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But FA31 is little too expensive
Compared to what?

NIKON 24mm f/1.4 AF-S G ED street price: 1 839.00
NIKON 35 mm f/1.4 AF-S G street price 1 598.99
CANON 24mm F1.4 L II USM street price 1 609.00
CANON 35mm F1.4 L USM street price 1 379.00
CARL ZEISS Distagon T* 28mm F2.0 ZF.2 Nikon street price 1 098.99
CARL ZEISS Distagon T* 35mm F2.0 ZF .2 Nikon street price 848.99

PENTAX 31mm F1.8 AL Limited Noir SMC FA street price 1 249.91

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The prices may be different at B&H, but the ratios will be similar.

If you dream about a 28/1.4 that holds its heritage against the 31, be ready to put around 2K/$ on the counter and that wouldn't be a steal.

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100% it's a new flash
Hope so...weather sealed...

QuoteOriginally posted by ghelary Quote
Regarding the normal DA*28 (or 30)/1.4, we already have the FA31/1.8, given the current sensitivity available should we really care about half a stop? The FA31 is a length of legend for a reason, and even if it's big wy pentax standards, it's relatively compact by Canon or Nikon's.
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True, just a tiny bit
But a DA*28/1.4 or /2.0 wouldn't be cheap either. Really not.
QuoteOriginally posted by ghelary Quote
Compared to what?

NIKON 24mm f/1.4 AF-S G ED street price: 1 839.00
NIKON 35 mm f/1.4 AF-S G street price 1 598.99
CANON 24mm F1.4 L II USM street price 1 609.00
CANON 35mm F1.4 L USM street price 1 379.00
CARL ZEISS Distagon T* 28mm F2.0 ZF.2 Nikon street price 1 098.99
CARL ZEISS Distagon T* 35mm F2.0 ZF .2 Nikon street price 848.99

PENTAX 31mm F1.8 AL Limited Noir SMC FA street price 1 249.91

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The prices may be different at B&H, but the ratios will be similar.

If you dream about a 28/1.4 that holds its heritage against the 31, be ready to put around 2K/$ on the counter and that wouldn't be a steal.
I think they need to stop ******* around in that focal area completely...we have enough iterations in the 20-43 area to keep everybody happy. What we need is a good 135 - 150. There is NOTHING from 100 to 200, and there hasn't been for years. They should bring out a nice, relatively inexpensive DA 150, a DA* 135ish, and some kind of rare focal length 127.8298756 mm Limited.

How many 35mm's do you guys want? And what's wrong with the ones that are out there? Sheesh, they gave us the greatest lens of all time in that focal length...time to move on.

Cheers,
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QuoteOriginally posted by Male Gorilla Quote
100% it's a new flash
Yeah it'd be good if they stopped piss farting around and released some decent accessories to compliment the system.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Christopher M.W.T Quote
Yeah it'd be good if they stopped piss farting around and released some decent accessories to compliment the system.
Or worked aggressively with other makers, e.g., Tokina, on what is clearly Pentax-authorized gear. Perhaps a joint logo on a jointly-developed (or not) "thing".

It's faster, cheaper, easier, and probably more profitable to prime Tokina/Metz than to spend internal resources on doing too many things slowly.

There are ways to avoid "too little, too late" through use of cooperation and a little humility.

As I have noted elsewhere, public humility is not exactly thick upon the ground in Japanese corporate culture.
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What we need is a DA* prime that is f2 in the 16 mm to 20 mm focal length.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cambo Quote
Hope so...weather sealed...







I think they need to stop ******* around in that focal area completely...we have enough iterations in the 20-43 area to keep everybody happy. What we need is a good 135 - 150. There is NOTHING from 100 to 200, and there hasn't been for years. They should bring out a nice, relatively inexpensive DA 150, a DA* 135ish, and some kind of rare focal length 127.8298756 mm Limited.

How many 35mm's do you guys want? And what's wrong with the ones that are out there? Sheesh, they gave us the greatest lens of all time in that focal length...time to move on.

Cheers,
Cameron


I'd happily settle for a DA24/2.8 or DA28/2.8 the size of the DA35/2.4 on the 'normal' end.

Totally agree on the need for 85mm, 135mm on the short tele end.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RXrenesis8 Quote
DA* 7mm f/4 Rectilinear
Not without an updated K-mount. The K-mount spec doesn't currently allow for focal lengths smaller than 10mm. Anything below that can be used, but will not be registered by the camera.
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