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09-14-2013, 08:15 AM   #2551
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
I don't expect such thing right now.
But the next one or a different one (separate line to test the waters).
No reason for Pentax to rush a 645D. MF probably has the most to gain from the size reduction and removing the much larger mirror. People who use MF don't need or expect lightning fast AF.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
No reason for Pentax to rush a 645D. MF probably has the most to gain from the size reduction and removing the much larger mirror. People who use MF don't need or expect lightning fast AF.
Agreed. 645 mirror box is huge. Leica did a lot better with their S2 on that PoV.
But Pentax can't do yet another mount with a mirror. I dunno if Pentax will go soon or at all mirrorless with APS/FF but they will go sooner for 645 IMO.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Hopefully it is mirrorless and has a new mount.
I don't think that makes sense right now. But a digital 67 should be mirrorless :-)
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I don't think that makes sense right now. But a digital 67 should be mirrorless :-)
Did you notice that the 645D lenses are NOT on the new road map? Could there be a change of direction? Or did the marketing interns just screw up?

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Are there any Q lenses on the new roadmap? Or is there more than one roadmap?
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Are there any Q lenses on the new roadmap? Or is there more than one roadmap?
Could only find this

"Road map may vary...... etc etc
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QuoteOriginally posted by ak_kiwi Quote
Could only find this

"Road map may vary...... etc etc
It was a rhetorical question - but - TYVM!! I imagine there is a 645 roadmap somewhere also - no need to hunt for it.
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There are three roadmaps: K, Q and 645.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
There are three roadmaps: K, Q and 645.
True, but we all know that all roads lead to PENTAX IS DOOMED!

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QuoteOriginally posted by ak_kiwi Quote
Could only find this

"Road map may vary...... etc etc
There is a later Q roadmap, created in May this year.

It moves the latest releases into "Current Line up" and adds detail for equivalent focal lengths including the Q7. It still shows the "Wide" and the "Telephoto Macro" for 2013 or later.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
I don't think that makes sense right now. But a digital 67 should be mirrorless :-)
Bah, MF (645 and 67) are really lacking behind......more than a decade-and-a-half ago, my 8x10 view camera was already mirrorless.....
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QuoteOriginally posted by ak_kiwi Quote
Could only find this

"Road map may vary...... etc etc
So, am I right that we've gotten the tele zoom and the body-cap lenses, and there're only two on the "todo" list for the Q roadmap?

That's either pretty good (they're sticking to their plan) or really disappointing (no perspectives for dreaming about exciting Q-gear...), can't figure out which.

Oh well, I'll just enjoy the Q (original) as it is:

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QuoteOriginally posted by tclausen Quote
So, am I right that we've gotten the tele zoom and the body-cap lenses, and there're only two on the "todo" list for the Q roadmap?

That's either pretty good (they're sticking to their plan) or really disappointing (no perspectives for dreaming about exciting Q-gear...), can't figure out which.

Oh well, I'll just enjoy the Q (original) as it is:

Attachment 187584
There are indeed two prime lenses to come in "2013 or later" on the Q's roadmap: a wide lens and a telephoto macro lens.

As for Pentax 645 lenses, there are three zoom lenses to come, again in "2013 or later": a wide zoom, a standard zoom and a telezoom:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/lens/645_Mount_Lens.pdf
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
MF probably has the most to gain from the size reduction and removing the much larger mirror.
Actually, MF has the least to gain, because right now it is a format almost exclusively determined by the lenses, all of which require a large camera. The 645D was introduced for people who already owned MF glass. That's why it could be introduced with so few new lenses, and Pentax could get away with very slow release cycle. In any case, if you introduced a new mirrorless 645D system, most existing 645 users would find it less costly just to move on to that far more versatile system camera, the Nikon D800.
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Actually, MF has the least to gain, because right now it is a format almost exclusively determined by the lenses, all of which require a large camera. The 645D was introduced for people who already owned MF glass. That's why it could be introduced with so few new lenses, and Pentax could get away with very slow release cycle. In any case, if you introduced a new mirrorless 645D system, most existing 645 users would find it less costly just to move on to that far more versatile system camera, the Nikon D800.
It would not be targeting existing 645 users. Pentax only has 1.5% market share. If they want to grow they need to produce products that will attract new users, not appease the 1.5% who already buy.

New mount and new MF mirrorless body that will appeal to new users who wish to move up to MF. MF doesn't need dozens of lenses. I have 5 for my Contax 645 and I only really use 2 of them with the 80mm being by far the most used. I picked up several once people started dumping Contax gear, and now it has gone back up in value as there has been a revival of MF film among wedding togs.

Half of the camera size is the mirror-box and the huge OVF. Pentax could produce a mirrorless MF that would be the size of a normal DSLR.
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