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09-17-2013, 04:00 AM   #2596
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
In which way?
Pentax only gave a technical reason - mirror slap.
Mirror slap is a big one I think, but also being less unwieldy. Also presenting it as a non-niche high end imaging device - DMF is intimidating, but a mirrorless 645 could be marketed as a superior imaging camera in a more general use sense.

09-17-2013, 05:05 AM   #2597
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The 645D is surprisingly comfortable to hold/use for it's size (I admit though, I never had extensive shooting sessions with it, just playing around)
I don't think that going EVF would bring in a significant cost/price reduction; going mirrorless in itself won't make the camera less niche.
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What's the love affair with mirrorless cameras, I personally find them extremely difficult to use in bright light situations, compared to any DSLR i have ever used?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Caat Quote
Mirror slap is a big one I think, but also being less unwieldy. Also presenting it as a non-niche high end imaging device - DMF is intimidating, but a mirrorless 645 could be marketed as a superior imaging camera in a more general use sense.
It's not obvious how the current 645 lens prices intersect with "more general use sense". I think that's a barrier Ricoh would have to find a way to overcome.

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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
Some potential variations on the K-5 theme:

K-5HD (high definition)
K-5ii/HD
K-5ii-M (mirrorless)
K-5x (monochromatic)
K-5iii/s
K-5 Super

or maybe not ;-)
You are forgetting:

K-5ii-as (astro)
K-5ii-IR (Infra red)

Maybe it sounds silly, but we and cameramakers are way to conservative as an industrie.

Try this Opel car:

Opel Nederland - Opel ADAM Configurator
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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
Some potential variations on the K-5 theme:

K-5HD (high definition)
K-5ii/HD
K-5ii-M (mirrorless)
K-5x (monochromatic)
K-5iii/s
K-5 Super

or maybe not ;-)
You're brilliant! One K-5x for me please! Such a thing would have 48mp. No wait, a K-5iii/s-Mx, I would prefer to see the monochrome image in the vf.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
You are forgetting:

K-5ii-as (astro)
K-5ii-IR (Infra red)
Chuckle!

This very morning I sent away my K-7 to be converted for IR!

Do I call it K-7-IR?
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QuoteOriginally posted by ennacac Quote
What's the love affair with mirrorless cameras, I personally find them extremely difficult to use in bright light situations, compared to any DSLR i have ever used?
Well, based on my K-01 experience:

1. No mirror slap, so you can use lower shutter speeds hand-held,
which is great in low light.

2. You can get precise manual focusing, even with a lens at f/1.2,
which is great in low light. (Did I say that already?)

3. CDAF focuses accurately with lenses like the Tamron 17-50,
which are hard to get adjusted properly for PDAF on a DSLR.

4. You can use lenses that would foul the mirror on a DSLR.

5. You can photograph from angles and places
where you couldn't get your head behind the eyepiece of a viewfinder.

YMMV.

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I suspect Ricoh will keep the K5 line alive. It is a great camera body and is a mid line price. A few improvements such as focus and a bit more dense sensor, complete movie support and better LV would make a worthy upgrade. The new toys would probably show up in a higher priced model whatever sensor. We shall see of course.
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Wasn't it Einstein that said insanity is doing the samething over and over and expecting different results? The K-5 (and II and IIS) are great cameras, but they didnt increase Pentax's marketshare, and Ricoh has stated that they want to increase marketshare. How will doing the samething yield different results?
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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
Wasn't it Einstein that said insanity is doing the samething over and over and expecting different results? The K-5 (and II and IIS) are great cameras, but they didnt increase Pentax's marketshare, and Ricoh has stated that they want to increase marketshare. How will doing the samething yield different results?
The current mid-range body (close to K-5) might work well for the K500 / K50 ranges. A different (larger) body might work for the flagship APSc body assuming addition of a larger viewfnider and peripheral features, and eventual extension to a larger sensor.
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1. There are many ways of not doing the same thing over and over. Changes are done as we speak.
2. Not every change would be an improvement. It's extremely important to understand what issues you're having, and to work on fixing those.
For example, having competent products is one thing that should not be changed.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
1. There are many ways of not doing the same thing over and over. Changes are done as we speak.
2. Not every change would be an improvement. It's extremely important to understand what issues you're having, and to work on fixing those.
For example, having competent products is one thing that should not be changed.
Both are very nice and safe...but won't increase marketshare. If they did, the K-5II wouldve done so.
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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
Both are very nice and safe...but won't increase marketshare. If they did, the K-5II wouldve done so.
I suspect it was the lack of marketing, rather than the lack of a pretty good product.
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cali92rs: Fallacy of the single cause
IMHO products like the K-5 (up to date, not stop gap) are part of the solution to increase the market share. It can't be a single product, nor two or three; but a constant stream of competent, well-placed products. This must be supported by marketing, production, distribution and support; basically they must work to improve on every area.

I'm not exactly sure what you're contradicting about #2...
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