K-3 speculation

ogl · 03-24-2013, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by tram57

Based upon my views of the studio comparison shots on dpreview, and comparing k5 to d7100 to d600, it seems that the k-5 sony sensor has better high ISO performance than the 24MP toshiba sensor in the d7100,

the same

rawr · 03-24-2013, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

exceptionally heavy as a result

That is true. It's one of the downsides of that lens.

But at 615g, that lens weighs slightly less than the Canon 24-105/4 (670g) or the Nikon 24-120/4 (710g). So I expect that if any new Pentax 24-120/4 comes out, and it is a FF lens, it will also be a hefty piece of glass.

The weight issue for that class of lens seems to work for Canikon - the 24-105L for example is a very popular lens.

ElJamoquio · 03-24-2013, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

But even that is not necessarily true. At some point - and you know it very well - they used a Samsung sensor.

...just like Samsung...?

thibs · 03-24-2013, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

...just like Samsung...?

Because Samsung did anything else than rebranding Pentax cameras ? Since when ?

ElJamoquio · 03-24-2013, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by tram57

Based upon my views of the studio comparison shots on dpreview, and comparing k5 to d7100 to d600, it seems that the k-5 sony sensor has better high ISO performance than the 24MP toshiba sensor in the d7100,

Looks like you didn't finish your thought?

I like some of dpreview's reviews. I like the existence of their studio shots but don't think they always carry out those tests well.

For sensor performance I really prefer to use DxOMark. YMMV, of course... but DxO shows the advantage between the D600 and the K-5 at equivalent resolution is about 2-3x the advantage between the K-5 and the K-x.

It looks like DxO hasn't tested the D7100 yet.

**monochrome** · 03-24-2013, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by rawr

That is true. It's one of the downsides of that lens.

But at 615g, that lens weighs slightly less than the Canon 24-105/4 (670g) or the Nikon 24-120/4 (710g). So I expect that if any new Pentax 24-120/4 comes out, and it is a FF lens, it will also be a hefty piece of glass.

The weight issue for that class of lens seems to work for Canikon - the 24-105L for example is a very popular lens.

Not arguing here -- I don't know Canon equiipment at all, but aren't the L grade lenses in a premium class? Isn't the pricing well above consumer?

Not that the above is bad, I'm just imagining who would pay Pentax's probable price for such a lens (Limited ZOOM).

rawr · 03-24-2013, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Isn't the pricing well above consumer?

Not really - the Nikon 24-120/4 and Canon 24-105/4 L are about the same price on BandH - $1100-$1200. Stuff like the non stabilized Canon 70-200/f4 L is also about $700. Not cheap, but L grade lenses are not always out of amateur reach.

Any new Pentax FF lenses probably won't be bargains, judging by current DA* pricing. That's the likely dark underside to Pentax producing a FF...

Kunzite · 03-24-2013, 01:44 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

...just like Samsung...?

Samsung used their own sensors later, in the NX series.

rawr, I'd rather pay a fair price for a quality product, than slightly less for a compromised one

rawr · 03-24-2013, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I'd rather pay a fair price for a quality product, than slightly less for a compromised one

Oh I agree. But I think folks should be prepared for some sticker shock when [if] any new Pentax FF glass emerges..

**Ash** · 03-24-2013, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Oh I agree. But I think folks should be prepared for some sticker shock when [if] any new Pentax FF glass emerges..

Yes, yes, but that will be the same for the FF camera. It will not be a stripped down low-end consumer-level camera, a la D600, and FF lenses themselves aren't going to be cheap and easy to manufacture either. Consumers are going to have to expect to pay a little more for higher-end products.

Kunzite · 03-24-2013, 02:09 PM

rawr, I agree; and it's not only Pentaxians. When the D600 was still a rumor, people were expecting it to cost as little as $1500 - and of course it didn't.
I try to avoid such things happening to me by not expecting lower prices than the equivalent Canikon's MSRP. In fact the first Pentax FF could be more expensive than the D600 (IIRC in one of the interviews Kitazawa-san hinted at not going for a stripped down FF, Ash, this is what you're talking about?).

rawr · 03-24-2013, 02:14 PM

Good thing I already have most of my FF lens bases covered

But I don't think I will be early-adopting any new FF camera. I can wait.

thibs · 03-24-2013, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Samsung used their own sensors later, in the NX series.

rawr, I'd rather pay a fair price for a quality product, than slightly less for a compromised one

Samsung sensor compromised, is that what you're saying? That's stupid.
Whan it came K20D sensor was no slouch at all. If Pentax chose to go Samsung again for K-7 that's Pentax fault, not Samsung's.

**monochrome** · 03-24-2013, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Good thing I already have most of my FF lens bases covered

But I don't think I will be early-adopting any new FF camera. I can wait.

Good thing for me the only truly APSc lens I own is the DA55~300 (unless the DA40 Limited doesn't work after all).

Well, and the Q's.

Of course if they abandon K-mount like the 3-posts-since-2009-Dude claimed on that closed thread - then I am well and truly ..... happy to just keep shooting film and MF lenses on APS sensors.

thibs · 03-24-2013, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Good thing for me the only truly APSc lens I own is the DA55~300 (unless the DA40 Limited doesn't work after all).

Well not *that* APS-C of a lens AFAIK.

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03-24-2013, 10:46 AM	#1396
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by tram57 Based upon my views of the studio comparison shots on dpreview, and comparing k5 to d7100 to d600, it seems that the k-5 sony sensor has better high ISO performance than the 24MP toshiba sensor in the d7100, the same

03-24-2013, 11:07 AM	#1397
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by monochrome exceptionally heavy as a result That is true. It's one of the downsides of that lens. But at 615g, that lens weighs slightly less than the Canon 24-105/4 (670g) or the Nikon 24-120/4 (710g). So I expect that if any new Pentax 24-120/4 comes out, and it is a FF lens, it will also be a hefty piece of glass. The weight issue for that class of lens seems to work for Canikon - the 24-105L for example is a very popular lens.

03-24-2013, 11:35 AM	#1398
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by Kunzite But even that is not necessarily true. At some point - and you know it very well - they used a Samsung sensor. ...just like Samsung...?

03-24-2013, 11:39 AM	#1399
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by ElJamoquio ...just like Samsung...? Because Samsung did anything else than rebranding Pentax cameras ? Since when ?

03-24-2013, 11:47 AM	#1400
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by tram57 Based upon my views of the studio comparison shots on dpreview, and comparing k5 to d7100 to d600, it seems that the k-5 sony sensor has better high ISO performance than the 24MP toshiba sensor in the d7100, Looks like you didn't finish your thought? I like some of dpreview's reviews. I like the existence of their studio shots but don't think they always carry out those tests well. For sensor performance I really prefer to use DxOMark. YMMV, of course... but DxO shows the advantage between the D600 and the K-5 at equivalent resolution is about 2-3x the advantage between the K-5 and the K-x. It looks like DxO hasn't tested the D7100 yet.

03-24-2013, 12:54 PM	#1401
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by rawr That is true. It's one of the downsides of that lens. But at 615g, that lens weighs slightly less than the Canon 24-105/4 (670g) or the Nikon 24-120/4 (710g). So I expect that if any new Pentax 24-120/4 comes out, and it is a FF lens, it will also be a hefty piece of glass. The weight issue for that class of lens seems to work for Canikon - the 24-105L for example is a very popular lens. Not arguing here -- I don't know Canon equiipment at all, but aren't the L grade lenses in a premium class? Isn't the pricing well above consumer? Not that the above is bad, I'm just imagining who would pay Pentax's probable price for such a lens (Limited ZOOM).

03-24-2013, 01:39 PM	#1402
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by monochrome Isn't the pricing well above consumer? Not really - the Nikon 24-120/4 and Canon 24-105/4 L are about the same price on BandH - $1100-$1200. Stuff like the non stabilized Canon 70-200/f4 L is also about $700. Not cheap, but L grade lenses are not always out of amateur reach. Any new Pentax FF lenses probably won't be bargains, judging by current DA* pricing. That's the likely dark underside to Pentax producing a FF...

03-24-2013, 01:44 PM - 1 Like	#1403
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by ElJamoquio ...just like Samsung...? Samsung used their own sensors later, in the NX series. rawr, I'd rather pay a fair price for a quality product, than slightly less for a compromised one

03-24-2013, 01:50 PM	#1404
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Kunzite I'd rather pay a fair price for a quality product, than slightly less for a compromised one Oh I agree. But I think folks should be prepared for some sticker shock when [if] any new Pentax FF glass emerges..

03-24-2013, 01:59 PM	#1405
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by rawr Oh I agree. But I think folks should be prepared for some sticker shock when [if] any new Pentax FF glass emerges.. Yes, yes, but that will be the same for the FF camera. It will not be a stripped down low-end consumer-level camera, a la D600, and FF lenses themselves aren't going to be cheap and easy to manufacture either. Consumers are going to have to expect to pay a little more for higher-end products.

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03-24-2013, 02:09 PM	#1406
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	rawr, I agree; and it's not only Pentaxians. When the D600 was still a rumor, people were expecting it to cost as little as $1500 - and of course it didn't. I try to avoid such things happening to me by not expecting lower prices than the equivalent Canikon's MSRP. In fact the first Pentax FF could be more expensive than the D600 (IIRC in one of the interviews Kitazawa-san hinted at not going for a stripped down FF, Ash, this is what you're talking about?).

03-24-2013, 02:14 PM	#1407
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Good thing I already have most of my FF lens bases covered But I don't think I will be early-adopting any new FF camera. I can wait.

03-24-2013, 02:16 PM	#1408
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Kunzite Samsung used their own sensors later, in the NX series. rawr, I'd rather pay a fair price for a quality product, than slightly less for a compromised one Samsung sensor compromised, is that what you're saying? That's stupid. Whan it came K20D sensor was no slouch at all. If Pentax chose to go Samsung again for K-7 that's Pentax fault, not Samsung's.

03-24-2013, 02:19 PM	#1409
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by rawr Good thing I already have most of my FF lens bases covered But I don't think I will be early-adopting any new FF camera. I can wait. Good thing for me the only truly APSc lens I own is the DA55~300 (unless the DA40 Limited doesn't work after all). Well, and the Q's. Of course if they abandon K-mount like the 3-posts-since-2009-Dude claimed on that closed thread - then I am well and truly ..... happy to just keep shooting film and MF lenses on APS sensors.

03-24-2013, 02:22 PM	#1410
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by monochrome Good thing for me the only truly APSc lens I own is the DA55~300 (unless the DA40 Limited doesn't work after all). Well not that APS-C of a lens AFAIK.