K-3 speculation

wll · 06-07-2011, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Eruditass

I'd love to frame real high perspective (crowds, etc) or low perspective shots like this:

I was at a car show this past weekend and on my back, side and * to get the shots I wanted ... an articulating screen would have been a very welcome addition.

To those folks who have not used one, you don't know what you are missing. I was watching some of the guys shoot video, there cams right on the ground getting a very low perspective, something I could not do. I would have to had shot and guessed not being able to see what I was shooting.

No, a articulating screen is very important.

If Pentax does not do that, I would like to see an add on, like Sony has .... the problem with that is it is big, expensive and more cr@p to carry.

wll

**Ash** · 06-07-2011, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by wll

To those folks who have not used one, you don't know what you are missing.

But to those who have, and are still not keen on it, I think they've got a point too.

I personally wouldn't consider the articulating screen important at all. Handy in some instances, yes, but not a vital feature.
If implemented into Pentax flagships, I would keep my K-5 for as long as I can, then think about switching. I'd have to wait and see if the D800 and 5D successor (if there will be one) come out with articulating screens first...

wll · 06-07-2011, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by Ash

But to those who have, and are still not keen on it, I think they've got a point too.

I personally wouldn't consider the articulating screen important at all. Handy in some instances, yes, but not a vital feature.
If implemented into Pentax flagships, I would keep my K-5 for as long as I can, then think about switching. I'd have to wait and see if the D800 and 5D successor (if there will be one) come out with articulating screens first...

I guess it depends on what type of photography you do. For me, I mostly shoot stills. I'm not a person photographer. I shoot a lot of architecture, landscapes, studio stuff, and "things".

For "ME" an articulating screen is a pleasure to use (my G12 as an example), and I would love it in my next DSLR. I'm sooooo tired of peeping through a viewfinder or trying to see the screen when doing studio stuff. I'm at times tempted to use my G12 just because of this.

With the video feature now part of your DSLR, I don't see Pentax leaving a articulating out as all video cameras have it, and it is a must for video. If someone doesn't use it than you just lock it in it's normal position.

If on the other hand if your a sports/street photographer than it may not be your cup of tea.

wll

**Ash** · 06-07-2011, 03:31 AM

Very true wll.
If an articulating screen matters a lot to you, would you consider something like an Olympus E-5?

johnmflores · 06-07-2011, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by Ash

But to those who have, and are still not keen on it, I think they've got a point too.

I personally wouldn't consider the articulating screen important at all. Handy in some instances, yes, but not a vital feature.
If implemented into Pentax flagships, I would keep my K-5 for as long as I can, then think about switching. I'd have to wait and see if the D800 and 5D successor (if there will be one) come out with articulating screens first...

I'm having a hard time understanding the strong resistance to a feature that you don't have to use if you don't want to. Is it a reliability issue (another thing that can break) or a matter of principle (serious cameras don't have articulating screens)?

Unsinkable II · 06-07-2011, 05:07 AM

+1 for an articulating screen. I have one on a Canon and it's surprising the amount of time it actually gets used.

Everyone's all for increased DR, ISO, FPS, etc... an articulated screen gives increased perspective options (without the need for guessing).

Whatever Pentax bring out next, I won't be complaining.

gazonk · 06-07-2011, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by wll

With the video feature now part of your DSLR, I don't see Pentax leaving a articulating out as all video cameras have it, and it is a must for video. If someone doesn't use it than you just lock it in it's normal position.

If on the other hand if your a sports/street photographer than it may not be your cup of tea.

wll

Hmm, I think an articulating screen would be great for street photography ("shooting from the hip"). Personally, I think I'd use it a lot for video and for macro. I don't want it to have an impact on the ergonomics of ordinary viewfinder use, though. I once briefly tried a Sony Alpha 350 (I think), and the screen protrudes so much relative to the eyepiece that it's really an annoyance for anyone with a nose larger than a baby's nose.

eddie1960 · 06-07-2011, 05:20 AM

My issue would be with the added bulk and yep reliability. From experience at the retail level i can tell you they do break. It would be interesting to see how WR is implemented (possible obviously from the e-5)
in the last year i can count the number of times I'd have liked it on one hand for the most part. I'd rather see it on the KR replacement than the K5 replacement.

Gimbal · 06-07-2011, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

I'm having a hard time understanding the strong resistance to a feature that you don't have to use if you don't want to. Is it a reliability issue (another thing that can break) or a matter of principle (serious cameras don't have articulating screens)?

It's a thicker camera with a smaller screen. Do I want that? Not really.

johnmflores · 06-07-2011, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by Gimbal

It's a thicker camera with a smaller screen. Do I want that? Not really.

So if they could make a flip-twist screen without making the camera larger or the screen smaller you'd be ok with it?

wll · 06-07-2011, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Ash

Very true wll.
If an articulating screen matters a lot to you, would you consider something like an Olympus E-5?

With 3 K20D's cameras, two K-x's, and a K-5, and just about every lens Pentax makes, any other brand is not an option. I love the way Pentax cameras are made and the way they "FEEL" in my hands.

In the film days I had Canon F1n's and a series of FD lenses.

When digital started it was a tossup between Nikon and Pentax (Canon was not in the mix because they were the biggest) ... I chose Pentax because of its size and quality ... glad I did.

wll

eddie1960 · 06-07-2011, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

So if they could make a flip-twist screen without making the camera larger or the screen smaller you'd be ok with it?

OLED is thin, but casings aren't, I'd rather see a thinner camera as it sits. every time i pick up my SV,mx or even my km(film) it seems so tiny compared to my k7

johnmflores · 06-07-2011, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

OLED is thin, but casings aren't, I'd rather see a thinner camera as it sits. every time i pick up my SV,mx or even my km(film) it seems so tiny compared to my k7

With the NEX series, Sony has shown traditional camera makers how to stuff the guts of a camera - including a pivoting screen - into a smaller package:

Granted, there's no mirror and OVF and no PDAF, but I bet that Pentax could make the K-3 smaller AND include a flip-twist screen just by hiring a Sony electronics packaging/miniaturisation guru.

The lack of a flip-twist screen is one of the things that has kept me away from the K-5 (and towards a GH2) up to now. It's absolutely necessary for video and helps with stills as well in the studio and macros. And I've noticed that subjects are more natural and less wary when you don't have to bring a black box up to your face in order to take a picture. And speaking as someone that takes cameras hiking, running, and on motorcycle trips, I find a flip-twist screen more useful than weather sealing - I'll take advantage of weather sealing once or twice a year vs. once or twice a day with flip-twist...

Gimbal · 06-07-2011, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

So if they could make a flip-twist screen without making the camera larger or the screen smaller you'd be ok with it?

Yes, I'm not totally against it. I do like the idea of twisting the screen 180 degrees for protection. But that will mean a lot of twisting and I'm not so sure about that, how much twisting can it take?

RonHendriks1966 · 06-07-2011, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

With the NEX series, Sony has shown traditional camera makers how to stuff the guts of a camera - including a pivoting screen - into a smaller package:

Well that NEX screen was awfull to use. I had a NEX-5 for one night testing it and you can't see in the sun and you can't turn it enought to avoid that.

I love the E-5 screen from Oly since you can turn it around and have the black backside to look at.

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06-07-2011, 02:01 AM	#301
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	Originally posted by Eruditass I'd love to frame real high perspective (crowds, etc) or low perspective shots like this: I was at a car show this past weekend and on my back, side and * to get the shots I wanted ... an articulating screen would have been a very welcome addition. To those folks who have not used one, you don't know what you are missing. I was watching some of the guys shoot video, there cams right on the ground getting a very low perspective, something I could not do. I would have to had shot and guessed not being able to see what I was shooting. No, a articulating screen is very important. If Pentax does not do that, I would like to see an add on, like Sony has .... the problem with that is it is big, expensive and more cr@p to carry. wll

06-07-2011, 02:17 AM	#302
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by wll To those folks who have not used one, you don't know what you are missing. But to those who have, and are still not keen on it, I think they've got a point too. I personally wouldn't consider the articulating screen important at all. Handy in some instances, yes, but not a vital feature. If implemented into Pentax flagships, I would keep my K-5 for as long as I can, then think about switching. I'd have to wait and see if the D800 and 5D successor (if there will be one) come out with articulating screens first...

06-07-2011, 03:18 AM	#303
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	Originally posted by Ash But to those who have, and are still not keen on it, I think they've got a point too. I personally wouldn't consider the articulating screen important at all. Handy in some instances, yes, but not a vital feature. If implemented into Pentax flagships, I would keep my K-5 for as long as I can, then think about switching. I'd have to wait and see if the D800 and 5D successor (if there will be one) come out with articulating screens first... I guess it depends on what type of photography you do. For me, I mostly shoot stills. I'm not a person photographer. I shoot a lot of architecture, landscapes, studio stuff, and "things". For "ME" an articulating screen is a pleasure to use (my G12 as an example), and I would love it in my next DSLR. I'm sooooo tired of peeping through a viewfinder or trying to see the screen when doing studio stuff. I'm at times tempted to use my G12 just because of this. With the video feature now part of your DSLR, I don't see Pentax leaving a articulating out as all video cameras have it, and it is a must for video. If someone doesn't use it than you just lock it in it's normal position. If on the other hand if your a sports/street photographer than it may not be your cup of tea. wll

06-07-2011, 03:31 AM	#304
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Very true wll. If an articulating screen matters a lot to you, would you consider something like an Olympus E-5?

06-07-2011, 05:01 AM	#305
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by Ash But to those who have, and are still not keen on it, I think they've got a point too. I personally wouldn't consider the articulating screen important at all. Handy in some instances, yes, but not a vital feature. If implemented into Pentax flagships, I would keep my K-5 for as long as I can, then think about switching. I'd have to wait and see if the D800 and 5D successor (if there will be one) come out with articulating screens first... I'm having a hard time understanding the strong resistance to a feature that you don't have to use if you don't want to. Is it a reliability issue (another thing that can break) or a matter of principle (serious cameras don't have articulating screens)?

06-07-2011, 05:07 AM	#306
Unsinkable II Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,352	+1 for an articulating screen. I have one on a Canon and it's surprising the amount of time it actually gets used. Everyone's all for increased DR, ISO, FPS, etc... an articulated screen gives increased perspective options (without the need for guessing). Whatever Pentax bring out next, I won't be complaining.

06-07-2011, 05:11 AM	#307
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by wll With the video feature now part of your DSLR, I don't see Pentax leaving a articulating out as all video cameras have it, and it is a must for video. If someone doesn't use it than you just lock it in it's normal position. If on the other hand if your a sports/street photographer than it may not be your cup of tea. wll Hmm, I think an articulating screen would be great for street photography ("shooting from the hip"). Personally, I think I'd use it a lot for video and for macro. I don't want it to have an impact on the ergonomics of ordinary viewfinder use, though. I once briefly tried a Sony Alpha 350 (I think), and the screen protrudes so much relative to the eyepiece that it's really an annoyance for anyone with a nose larger than a baby's nose.

06-07-2011, 05:20 AM	#308
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	My issue would be with the added bulk and yep reliability. From experience at the retail level i can tell you they do break. It would be interesting to see how WR is implemented (possible obviously from the e-5) in the last year i can count the number of times I'd have liked it on one hand for the most part. I'd rather see it on the KR replacement than the K5 replacement.

06-07-2011, 05:57 AM	#309
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by johnmflores I'm having a hard time understanding the strong resistance to a feature that you don't have to use if you don't want to. Is it a reliability issue (another thing that can break) or a matter of principle (serious cameras don't have articulating screens)? It's a thicker camera with a smaller screen. Do I want that? Not really.

06-07-2011, 06:19 AM	#310
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by Gimbal It's a thicker camera with a smaller screen. Do I want that? Not really. So if they could make a flip-twist screen without making the camera larger or the screen smaller you'd be ok with it?

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06-07-2011, 07:01 AM	#311
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	Originally posted by Ash Very true wll. If an articulating screen matters a lot to you, would you consider something like an Olympus E-5? With 3 K20D's cameras, two K-x's, and a K-5, and just about every lens Pentax makes, any other brand is not an option. I love the way Pentax cameras are made and the way they "FEEL" in my hands. In the film days I had Canon F1n's and a series of FD lenses. When digital started it was a tossup between Nikon and Pentax (Canon was not in the mix because they were the biggest) ... I chose Pentax because of its size and quality ... glad I did. wll

06-07-2011, 07:04 AM	#312
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by johnmflores So if they could make a flip-twist screen without making the camera larger or the screen smaller you'd be ok with it? OLED is thin, but casings aren't, I'd rather see a thinner camera as it sits. every time i pick up my SV,mx or even my km(film) it seems so tiny compared to my k7

06-07-2011, 07:31 AM	#313
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by eddie1960 OLED is thin, but casings aren't, I'd rather see a thinner camera as it sits. every time i pick up my SV,mx or even my km(film) it seems so tiny compared to my k7 With the NEX series, Sony has shown traditional camera makers how to stuff the guts of a camera - including a pivoting screen - into a smaller package: Granted, there's no mirror and OVF and no PDAF, but I bet that Pentax could make the K-3 smaller AND include a flip-twist screen just by hiring a Sony electronics packaging/miniaturisation guru. The lack of a flip-twist screen is one of the things that has kept me away from the K-5 (and towards a GH2) up to now. It's absolutely necessary for video and helps with stills as well in the studio and macros. And I've noticed that subjects are more natural and less wary when you don't have to bring a black box up to your face in order to take a picture. And speaking as someone that takes cameras hiking, running, and on motorcycle trips, I find a flip-twist screen more useful than weather sealing - I'll take advantage of weather sealing once or twice a year vs. once or twice a day with flip-twist...

06-07-2011, 07:36 AM	#314
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by johnmflores So if they could make a flip-twist screen without making the camera larger or the screen smaller you'd be ok with it? Yes, I'm not totally against it. I do like the idea of twisting the screen 180 degrees for protection. But that will mean a lot of twisting and I'm not so sure about that, how much twisting can it take?

06-07-2011, 07:45 AM	#315
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by johnmflores With the NEX series, Sony has shown traditional camera makers how to stuff the guts of a camera - including a pivoting screen - into a smaller package: Well that NEX screen was awfull to use. I had a NEX-5 for one night testing it and you can't see in the sun and you can't turn it enought to avoid that. I love the E-5 screen from Oly since you can turn it around and have the black backside to look at.