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ozlizard · 06-02-2012, 05:06 PM

I would only lose my Sigma 10-20 which could be easily replaced. I would imagine that my 50-135 would still be a useful lens on a FF.
Not sure what the best replacemnt for the UWA would be though.

Cannikin · 06-02-2012, 06:12 PM - **1 Like**

I find it interesting that most people seem to assume that for the K-3 (APS-C, any FF would almost certainly not be called "K-3") there are only two choices for sensor: the current 16mp, and the 24mp of the NEX-7.

Photokina 2010 saw the introduction of a brand new, unheard of sensor (the 16mp) that found its way into no less than 4 cameras at launch, and nearly a dozen since then (in some form or another). The 24mp sensor, by contrast, has been put in 3 cameras, if I'm not mistaken, nearly a year after its introduction, including an entry level camera of all things (demand must be pretty low to force the sensor price down to that level), and benchmarks seem to see it as a shameless cramming of more pixels with no other advantage over the 16mp.

Given the decidedly lukewarm response to the current 24mp APS-C sensor, I find it reasonable to expect that Sony has been working on a totally new sensor for Photokina 2012, this time with significant improvements over the 16mp. Pentax and Nikon may also be aware of this and waiting for its launch, which is why we have yet to hear anything of a replacement for the K-5, D7000 or D5100.

gtl · 06-02-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by ozlizard

I would only lose my Sigma 10-20 which could be easily replaced. I would imagine that my 50-135 would still be a useful lens on a FF.
Not sure what the best replacemnt for the UWA would be though.

The 50-135mm sucks on FF. Severe vignetting. Check out falk's thread for pics.

Bophoto · 06-03-2012, 01:15 AM

You forget Samsungs 20Mp sensor.

starbase218 · 06-03-2012, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by Cannikin

any FF would almost certainly not be called "K-3"

Errr... why not?

RonHendriks1966 · 06-03-2012, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by Bophoto

You forget Samsungs 20Mp sensor.

That is not so good a sensor, looking at comparison in dpreview between K-5, NX200, OM-D-5 and Nex-7.

Unless Sony pulls out a new sensor (something like 18-20mp) with improved performance then I hope Pentax stays with the current 16mp sensor for another generation of camera's in aps-c.

fikkser · 06-03-2012, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

That is not so good a sensor, looking at comparison in dpreview between K-5, NX200, OM-D-5 and Nex-7.

Unless Sony pulls out a new sensor (something like 18-20mp) with improved performance then I hope Pentax stays with the current 16mp sensor for another generation of camera's in aps-c.

I think Samsung has failed to get the most out of the sensor. Just look how ugly the NR is.

If you look at the conclusion I think it has the same ISO score as 7D and k-5, not 100% sure (anyway I wouldn't trust their scoring, because I think they are idio**, but the comparisons are useful).

Im sure Pentax would get better results with the sensor, but maybe not good enough. I don't think they should stay with the 16mp because other brands will have more. I think that first time dslr buyers will simply ignore an unknown brand like Pentax if the similar/less priced Nikon has 8mp extra.

More resulution ftw! I'd like the 24mp Sony sensor. Maybe they have perfected it by now?!

WerTicus · 06-03-2012, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by Bophoto

You forget Samsungs 20Mp sensor.

It is not likely to be as good as sony's sensors.

Cannikin · 06-03-2012, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by starbase218

Errr... why not?

Because it makes absolutely no sense in any naming scheme Pentax has now or ever did.

K-7 (APS-C) -> K-5 (APS-C) -> K-3 (FF) Um, what?
K-30 (mid-range APS-C) -> K-??? (high-end APS-C) -> K-3 (FF) Um, how does that work?

The K-30 is not a K-5 replacement. Not even close. It is the same or inferior in every single way to the K-5 except video (and possibly AF). There is also no way they are going to kill off the high-end APS-C line in favor of FF, as there is greater demand and greater profitability for high-end APS-C (not to mention the extensive high-end APS-C lens lineup). FF would exist on top of the lineup. So what is the K-5's replacement to be called if K-3 is FF? K-3.5? K-40? Makes no sense. Sure Pentax has had some weird names in the past (*ist D anyone?), but at least cameras within a generation followed a progression from either their contemporaries or their immediate predecessors (or a totally new scheme).

Let's take a look at Pentax's previous naming scheme:

K2000 (entry level APS-C) -> K200D (mid-range APS-C) -> K20D (high end APS-C)

If K-30 is the new mid-range (replacing the K200D and shifting the digits), it follow that K-3 is the new high end APS-C. I am 99% certain that any FF would have a totally different naming scheme, just like the K-01, Q and 645D.

Mistral75 · 06-03-2012, 04:30 AM

And one day in 2012/13, sixty years after Pentax's first SLR (the Asahiflex) arrived the (24x36) Pentax L-x

.

neo_x · 06-03-2012, 05:26 AM

Now Af it's great!

neo_x · 06-03-2012, 05:27 AM

Can't wait to see what really future will give us!! will we ever see a FF?!?!?!?!?!!?!!??!?!?!!!!

Clicker · 06-03-2012, 05:29 AM - **1 Like**

and from left field. . .

Kate = K8 current hot royalty

Medium FormatPro · 06-03-2012, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by Clicker

Kate = K8 current hot royalty

She looks severly underweight in person; perhaps even anorexic

Sandy Hancock · 06-03-2012, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by Medium FormatPro

She looks severly underweight in person; perhaps even anorexic

Perhaps compared to the current 1st world standard, where morbid obesity is "normal".

06-02-2012, 06:12 PM - 1 Like	#542
Cannikin Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SW Washington Posts: 833	I find it interesting that most people seem to assume that for the K-3 (APS-C, any FF would almost certainly not be called "K-3") there are only two choices for sensor: the current 16mp, and the 24mp of the NEX-7. Photokina 2010 saw the introduction of a brand new, unheard of sensor (the 16mp) that found its way into no less than 4 cameras at launch, and nearly a dozen since then (in some form or another). The 24mp sensor, by contrast, has been put in 3 cameras, if I'm not mistaken, nearly a year after its introduction, including an entry level camera of all things (demand must be pretty low to force the sensor price down to that level), and benchmarks seem to see it as a shameless cramming of more pixels with no other advantage over the 16mp. Given the decidedly lukewarm response to the current 24mp APS-C sensor, I find it reasonable to expect that Sony has been working on a totally new sensor for Photokina 2012, this time with significant improvements over the 16mp. Pentax and Nikon may also be aware of this and waiting for its launch, which is why we have yet to hear anything of a replacement for the K-5, D7000 or D5100. Last edited by Cannikin; 06-02-2012 at 06:42 PM.

06-03-2012, 04:27 AM	#549
Cannikin Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SW Washington Posts: 833	Originally posted by starbase218 Errr... why not? Because it makes absolutely no sense in any naming scheme Pentax has now or ever did. K-7 (APS-C) -> K-5 (APS-C) -> K-3 (FF) Um, what? K-30 (mid-range APS-C) -> K-??? (high-end APS-C) -> K-3 (FF) Um, how does that work? The K-30 is not a K-5 replacement. Not even close. It is the same or inferior in every single way to the K-5 except video (and possibly AF). There is also no way they are going to kill off the high-end APS-C line in favor of FF, as there is greater demand and greater profitability for high-end APS-C (not to mention the extensive high-end APS-C lens lineup). FF would exist on top of the lineup. So what is the K-5's replacement to be called if K-3 is FF? K-3.5? K-40? Makes no sense. Sure Pentax has had some weird names in the past (ist D anyone?), but at least cameras within a generation followed a progression from either their contemporaries or their immediate predecessors (or a totally new scheme). Let's take a look at Pentax's previous naming scheme: K2000 (entry level APS-C) -> K200D (mid-range APS-C) -> K20D (high end APS-C) If K-30 is the new mid-range (replacing the K200D and shifting the digits), it follow that K-3 is the new high end APS-C. I am 99% certain that any FF would have a totally different naming scheme, just like the K-01, Q and 645D. Last edited by Cannikin; 06-03-2012 at 07:41 AM.*

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ozlizard Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bridgetown West Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 903	I would only lose my Sigma 10-20 which could be easily replaced. I would imagine that my 50-135 would still be a useful lens on a FF. Not sure what the best replacemnt for the UWA would be though.

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gtl Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 349	Originally posted by ozlizard I would only lose my Sigma 10-20 which could be easily replaced. I would imagine that my 50-135 would still be a useful lens on a FF. Not sure what the best replacemnt for the UWA would be though. The 50-135mm sucks on FF. Severe vignetting. Check out falk's thread for pics.

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starbase218 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy, Universe Posts: 1,119	Originally posted by Cannikin any FF would almost certainly not be called "K-3" Errr... why not?

06-03-2012, 03:09 AM	#546
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Bophoto You forget Samsungs 20Mp sensor. That is not so good a sensor, looking at comparison in dpreview between K-5, NX200, OM-D-5 and Nex-7. Unless Sony pulls out a new sensor (something like 18-20mp) with improved performance then I hope Pentax stays with the current 16mp sensor for another generation of camera's in aps-c.

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fikkser Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Borlänge, Sweden Posts: 373	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 That is not so good a sensor, looking at comparison in dpreview between K-5, NX200, OM-D-5 and Nex-7. Unless Sony pulls out a new sensor (something like 18-20mp) with improved performance then I hope Pentax stays with the current 16mp sensor for another generation of camera's in aps-c. I think Samsung has failed to get the most out of the sensor. Just look how ugly the NR is. If you look at the conclusion I think it has the same ISO score as 7D and k-5, not 100% sure (anyway I wouldn't trust their scoring, because I think they are idio**, but the comparisons are useful). Im sure Pentax would get better results with the sensor, but maybe not good enough. I don't think they should stay with the 16mp because other brands will have more. I think that first time dslr buyers will simply ignore an unknown brand like Pentax if the similar/less priced Nikon has 8mp extra. More resulution ftw! I'd like the 24mp Sony sensor. Maybe they have perfected it by now?!

06-03-2012, 04:06 AM	#548
WerTicus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,514	Originally posted by Bophoto You forget Samsungs 20Mp sensor. It is not likely to be as good as sony's sensors.

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