Originally posted by Rondec why use an SLR if you are going to stick with low quality glass?
Is it really low quality?
Go to the Pentax Gallery or these forums galleries or Flickr and you can see excellent photos from most zoom lenses. Jay Maisel has used 18-200 and similar lenses to produce his body of work.
Don't confuse being a techno-lens snob with good photography.
Originally posted by mecrox I think folks are perhaps more uneasy with the idea that the future of photography for everyone lies in 8-bit jpegs + tablets + magick mobile OSes
I never said for everyone. I said the market is fractured, but overall camera development for Pentax will be increasingly driven by the largest denominator. The contention here is that most people who buy a $1,000 camera do some PP. The market reality is no, they don't. JPEG SOOC camera rules, so any camera design and marketing has to take that dominant factor into account.
Originally posted by Jan67 Yes, and we were in average not satisfied with results.
We weren't? I beg to differ. I still get lovely photos out of my film SLR gear, none of which is pro level.
Originally posted by Jan67 Definitely no everyone. But the amount of hobbyist, who do care about the photo quality is also increasing.
I doubt that. Photography is a huge hobby market but it's not that big an industry. The real issue is that people require substantial time and investments to do quality PP and the market data suggests this is still a small, niche market compared to overall system camera sales. Growth here may be measured in the thousands while sales of system cameras are in the tens of millions. The market here (and data spoken to in another thread) says the photography market is also looking oversold.
Consumers have limited time resources. Historically, consumer vernacular photography means taking a photo and experiencing it. It does not mean engaging in a creative editing process afterwards.
Just look at the history of RAW. For quite some time camera manufacturers were reluctant to allow RAW access because they understood, likely through market feedback, that most consumers bought a camera for producing a finished image, not an image requiring ANY editing. Editing software is almost a second-hand thought on a CD in the bottom of the box with instructions buried in the back of the manual.
Consumers who are not happy with their images SOOC are likely to be unhappy with the camera they just bought. they then blame the sale and the brand. Obviously a D800 buyer is going to buy into an editing regime, but that's maybe 5% of the system camera market by unit volume. By the time you get down to the 70% of the market buying a $749 system camera kit, you are mostly selling to people who have little intention of editing. The *might* give it a go in iPhoto on a few select photos. Maybe. Stats I've been spoken to about indicate it is infrequent for most users. Cropping and straightening are by runaway the most used edits.
The real issue for programs like iPhoto, Aperture, Picasa, and even LR are as digital asset managers. Image quality is secondary to asset management in an age of high-FPS shooting and information overload. Cameras could get a lot better here, as well, with folder and even organization, etc.
Originally posted by Kunzite mecrox, the idea disputed here is that people should follow trends no matter what, and then limit themselves according to those trends
These are not "trends". These are economic and market realities. Consumers don't invest in photo editing PC's on a large scale because they have never cared for post-shot editing, not even in the days of film. That's why iPhoto is part of an iLife suite. So far from being a "trend" it is the norm around which the photographic industry is largely based to move product. It is precisely why DPR and other review sites use JPEG for most of their testing. Not only is JPEG a true industry standard, it is what most consumers use.
If you want to escape from that in the products you buy, get out your wallet. Adobe wants your subscription. Leica plays exactly to your sentiment. FF will be secularly expensive for a long time to come. Buy a Hasselblad. In the meantime, tablets/smartphones, not sit down computers, will soon be the dominant means to view photography. And most images any of us shoot will only ever be viewed by us or family and friends for a very brief period...and then forgotten. By all means, spend your time editing for a 3 second look once in your life. No "trend" is stopping you from that personal effort. It's just that camera manufacturers know that for most people, their personal efforts will go another way.