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11-11-2007, 08:34 AM   #16
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I like the idea of one stop shopping for all things PENTAX but those prices! I don't think They will get much business other that people dropping buy to see what is available and maybe buying a few accessories.

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QuoteOriginally posted by magnum1 Quote
Is that site actually owned by Pentax?

I don't get it.

Pentax here:
https://pc-wweb.pentax.com/scripts/wgate/zw20_pc/!?~language=en&~Okcode=star...rea=0000000002

Pentax here:
PentaxWebstore - SLR Lenses

I still don't understand why Pentax has two online stores with different prices??

By the way K, you got a little something on the corner of your mouth.
11-11-2007, 02:20 PM   #18
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The one thing I would want right now they don't even offer.. a kewl Pentax Hat in black w/red writing. Wish the vest was a photographer's vest. I guess a fisherman's vest is more utilitarian then camera vest anyway tho so...

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Chris...

"Hopefully that explains why it's good that Pentax has the higher price from the website then in a store".

So...

Pentax does not want to undercut dealer prices, so this partnered site with Suresource charges unattractive, non-competitive prices.

Why bother?

And if they only sell, say $100,000. worth of product, isn't that potentially $100,000. less in sales for dealers, either B & M or on-line?

The reason the Canons of the world are able to put the squeeze on retailers is simply because they have the clout. They market extremely well, create the demand, and sell lots of product.

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Yes and force shops to sell a number of lower end product before sending more quantities of high end product. This disgusting and if this method is called "economy" than I guess economy is real crap.

It works, for sure but hell this is very ugly.
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QuoteOriginally posted by m8o Quote
Wish the vest was a photographer's vest. I guess a fisherman's vest is more utilitarian then camera vest anyway tho so...
Aren't all photographer's vests actually fisherman's vests?

I remember a story about Douglas Kirkland -- apparently when he was starting out as a photographer, he grabbed a fisherman's vest from his father's five-and-dime store in Fort Erie, Ontario, thinking it would be useful. It was useful, and started the trend of vests among photographers.

(I love that story, because many years later when I was a beginning filmmaker/photographer in Fort Erie, I bought a vest at that same store. I was a little embarassed to buy a "fisherman's vest", but it served the purpose and looked just like the photogs vest I really wanted. I only heard the story about Kirkland years later, and it made me smile to think I had unknowingly followed his lead to his dad's store!)
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No rain cape either...
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QuoteOriginally posted by filmamigo Quote
Aren't all photographer's vests actually fisherman's vests?
I understand not actually. There have been some threads on the subject on this board the last few months discussing 'photographer's vests' sold on some e-tailing sites, and people who've had/used both commented.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Tom Lusk Quote
"Hopefully that explains why it's good that Pentax has the higher price from the website then in a store".

So...

Pentax does not want to undercut dealer prices, so this partnered site with Suresource charges unattractive, non-competitive prices.

Why bother?

And if they only sell, say $100,000. worth of product, isn't that potentially $100,000. less in sales for dealers, either B & M or on-line?

The reason the Canons of the world are able to put the squeeze on retailers is simply because they have the clout. They market extremely well, create the demand, and sell lots of product.

Tom (and to think I spent all those hours in economics class at U of T) Lusk
Suresource makes retail websites period. Would you rather Pentax code the site themselves and pay for a new division to do it themselves? I don't think there is a massive online retailer today that makes there own site to sell their wares? It's safer to have another site build and maintain it then have Pentax do it themselves like previously had.

The only people who will buy from the site is someone who doesn't have a camera store in the area or for a product their store doesn't sell, but could just order and have it there in less than 5 days.

Canon puts the squeeze on retailers is because of the name period. They are not gods and if a retailer felt they couldn't make money from it they wouldn't carry it. The name itself will sell the camera and retailers know that, but in order to make the money they spent on all that marketing blitz they HAVE to do to stay in business they shrink margins and sell products cheaper in order to recoup money faster. They spend billions on advertising and have to make that money back quickly. Too bad they had to recall thousands of MKIII's and are forcing us the retailers to send them back to them at "OUR" expense.
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My local store

QuoteOriginally posted by codiac2600 Quote
Suresource makes retail websites period. Would you rather Pentax code the site themselves and pay for a new division to do it themselves? I don't think there is a massive online retailer today that makes there own site to sell their wares? It's safer to have another site build and maintain it then have Pentax do it themselves like previously had.

The only people who will buy from the site is someone who doesn't have a camera store in the area or for a product their store doesn't sell, but could just order and have it there in less than 5 days.

Canon puts the squeeze on retailers is because of the name period. They are not gods and if a retailer felt they couldn't make money from it they wouldn't carry it. The name itself will sell the camera and retailers know that, but in order to make the money they spent on all that marketing blitz they HAVE to do to stay in business they shrink margins and sell products cheaper in order to recoup money faster. They spend billions on advertising and have to make that money back quickly. Too bad they had to recall thousands of MKIII's and are forcing us the retailers to send them back to them at "OUR" expense.
My local store now specialises in Nikon and Pentax - they were not happy with the way Canon were squeezing them and they said Pentax and Nikon were treating them considerably better. Canon should be careful because this is one of the reasons they gained ground against Nikon originally by being nicer to their dealers.

Hubris always has a high cost.
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My local store now specialises in Nikon and Pentax - they were not happy with the way Canon were squeezing them and they said Pentax and Nikon were treating them considerably better. Canon should be careful because this is one of the reasons they gained ground against Nikon originally by being nicer to their dealers.

Hubris always has a high cost.
OMG, is that correct! Nikon used to be the biggest pain in everyones rear. We used to have sell whatever they told us to sell and buy what they told us to buy. Don't want to sell our D40, well too bad your dealership says base dealer so you have to sell D40 and these 6 lenses nothing else. Oh you want to sell more pro stuff, well you have to purchase 300 of these and 200 of those and sell them in 3 months. They are getting better, but still have a bit to go in order to be a better organization.
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Canon should be careful.......
Not to mention their camera's in the range of my K10D feel cheap!
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"The only people who will buy from the site is someone who doesn't have a camera store in the area or for a product their store doesn't sell, but could just order and have it there in less than 5 days."

Chris- actually, the only people who will buy from the site are those who aren't clued in enough to do any on-line comparison shopping.

As for Pentax "playing nice" with dealers -really, what choice do they have? If they were as aggressive as the major players, without similar product demand, they'd be out of business in a hurry.

And Chris -Canon only spent $980 million on advertising for ALL their product lines in 2006.
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Billions this year if you consider there huge NFL deal that is so stupid and totally against freedom of speech with the whole vest and sticker thing.

I wouldn't call them clueless, they have a choice, freewill, but it's better than letting scab online retailers rule the world.

It's ok, after next year Pentax will be one of the big players, I just fear that their production level wont be up to par, but thats ok.
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I just figured listing the actual MSRP instead of the street price was a way of manipulating people's expectations, so that when they go to B&H or someplace and see the same lens for 50% of the price they'll be more likely to say "Hey, what a bargain!" and buy one. Either way, Pentax makes money.

But what's with having a photo of the FA 20 on the front page? They don't even make them anymore, let alone sell them on the website.
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