Metz flashes. Is it Kenko-Tokina's products already?

ogl · 06-22-2011, 12:30 AM

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Is Kenko-Tokina the owner of Metz already?

Last edited by ogl; 06-22-2011 at 01:06 AM.

RonHendriks1966 · 06-22-2011, 12:42 AM

This is strange, on what camera are they going to use those big flashes?

ogl · 06-22-2011, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

This is strange, on what camera are they going to use those big flashes?

Canon and Nikon only - 58 model
The rest flashes are for all brands.

But...Kenko-Tokina offers Metz flashes...

froeschle · 06-22-2011, 02:32 AM

Metz lists

Kenko Co. Ltd.
Nishi-Ochiai 3-9-19
Shinjyuku-Ku,
Tokyo 161-8570

as its agency in Japan: Photo Electronics: Metz

So, Kenko-Tokina is just the distributor of Metz products there.

By the way: Metz: ca. 650 employees, Kenko-Tokina: ca. 200 employees

ogl · 06-22-2011, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by froeschle

Metz lists

Kenko Co. Ltd.
Nishi-Ochiai 3-9-19
Shinjyuku-Ku,
Tokyo 161-8570

as its agency in Japan: Photo Electronics: Metz

So, Kenko-Tokina is just the distributor of Metz products there.

By the way: Metz: ca. 650 employees, Kenko-Tokina: ca. 200 employees

Thanks for good info.

glanglois · 06-22-2011, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Canon and Nikon only - 58 model
The rest flashes are for all brands.

But...Kenko-Tokina offers Metz flashes...

My Google search showed the 58 AF 2 available in Pentax mount at Amazon, Adorama, Tristate, etc.

The Metz Web site shows it's also available in Olympus, Fuji, Sony, and Panasonic.

Did I miss the point of your post, Ogl?

Blue · 06-23-2011, 07:16 AM

What causes a lot of confusion is the distributor in the western U.S.A. that distributes Tokina, Hoya, Kenko and Slik products.

THK Photo Products, Inc.

Some people draw a conclusion that they are owned by the same entity.

Winder · 06-23-2011, 12:30 PM

Kenko & Tokina merged and are now one company. Kenko-Tokina Co. Ltd., It is a privately held company. Hoya is a publicly traded company, but half of its board of directors are the same people that own Kenko-Tokina. They are not the same company, but the same people own/control both companies.

rawr · 06-23-2011, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Winder

Kenko & Tokina merged and are now one company. Kenko-Tokina Co. Ltd., It is a privately held company. Hoya is a publicly traded company, but half of its board of directors are the same people that own Kenko-Tokina. They are not the same company, but the same people own/control both companies.

Very interesting. Thanks for that.

Has anyone ever done a diagram mapping the corporate relationships between all the camera/lens companies in Japan. It would be a fascinating diagram. Most of the players in Japan (Canon/Nikon/Pentax/Sony/Sigma/Tamron etc) are probably deeply interlinked.

froeschle · 06-25-2011, 03:58 PM - **1 Like**

Kenko International

Quote:

Trade name Kenko Tokina Co., Ltd.
Main shareholders Toru Yamanaka, Tetsuo Suzuki and others

Main banks Mizuho Bank (Yaesuguchi Branch), Tokyo Mitsubishi UFJ Bank (Shinjyuku Branch) and Shoko Chukin Bank (head office)

Directors Representative Director: Toru Yamanaka
Director (part-time): Mamoru Yamanaka(Consultant of Hoya Co., Ltd.)
Director (part-time): Tetsuo Suzuki (Honorary Chairman of Hoya Co., Ltd.)

November 15, 1994: Appendix D: Hoya Corporation R&D Center

Quote:

Under the guidance of its chairman Tetsuo Suzuki and its president Mamoru Yamanaka, Hoya is aiming to transition from being a glass company to a "total company" by exploring the possibilities offered by optoelectronics technology for the 21st century.

The grandson of Shigeru Yamanaka (Hoya founder) is Yutaka Yamanaka, who is a cousin of Hiroshi Suzuki (President / CEO Hoya). Hiroshi Suzuki is the son of Tetsuo Suzuki (Main shareholder / director Kenko Tokina). Tetsuo Suzuki was president of Hoya since 1957 successfully diversifying the family-run business into a leading manufacturer. In 1993, he became chairman, ceding the CEO slot to Mamoru Yamanaka, his brother-in-law and son of the company founder. Mamoru Yamanaka (Director Kenko Tokina, Consultant Hoya) is the fifth largest principal shareholder of Hoya.

Hoya Founder’s Grandson Calls Pentax Acquisition One Of Company “Failures”
Hoya CEO´s Cousin May Win on Pay Disclosure as Company Reconsiders Reform - glass global News
Hiroshi Suzuki, president and CEO of Hoya Corp.
HOYA CORPORATION|Investor Relations
ASIANOW - Asiaweek

rawr · 06-28-2011, 06:04 PM

Great stuff.
Are there any Hoya connections to Sigma or Tamron?

bobmaxja · 06-28-2011, 07:31 PM

Sony own 11% of Tamron

rawr · 06-28-2011, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by bobmaxja

Sony own 11% of Tamron

Interesting. I note from their annual report that 29% of Tamron's sales go to Sony too. They must make most of the lenses for Sony's point and shoots I guess.

reeftool · 06-29-2011, 08:03 AM

Japanese companies seem much more comfortable doing business with competitors than we see in North America. Sony is selling sensors to everybody while also competing against those same customers with a competing line of cameras. We don't see those business practices here. It's been long known that Tamron makes lenses for camera OEM's. They made some Pentax lenses also.

Blue · 06-29-2011, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Interesting. I note from their annual report that 29% of Tamron's sales go to Sony too. They must make most of the lenses for Sony's point and shoots I guess.

Who makes the non-zeiss 35mm lenses for that matter. It could be Tamron. Hoya probably provides the glass.

06-22-2011, 12:30 AM	#1
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Metz flashes. Is it Kenko-Tokina's products already? ?????? Metz????????3???? \| ????????????? - KenkoTokina ƒ�ƒbƒc�A�uMECABLITZ�vƒXƒgƒ�ƒ{‚ðƒtƒ‹ƒ‚ƒfƒ‹ƒ`ƒFƒ“ƒW - ƒfƒWƒJƒ�Watch ??? Is Kenko-Tokina the owner of Metz already? Last edited by ogl; 06-22-2011 at 01:06 AM.

06-22-2011, 12:58 AM	#3
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 This is strange, on what camera are they going to use those big flashes? Canon and Nikon only - 58 model The rest flashes are for all brands. But...Kenko-Tokina offers Metz flashes... Last edited by ogl; 06-22-2011 at 01:04 AM.

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06-22-2011, 12:42 AM	#2
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	This is strange, on what camera are they going to use those big flashes?

06-22-2011, 02:32 AM	#4
froeschle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 552	Metz lists Kenko Co. Ltd. Nishi-Ochiai 3-9-19 Shinjyuku-Ku, Tokyo 161-8570 as its agency in Japan: Photo Electronics: Metz So, Kenko-Tokina is just the distributor of Metz products there. By the way: Metz: ca. 650 employees, Kenko-Tokina: ca. 200 employees

06-22-2011, 03:44 AM	#5
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by froeschle Metz lists Kenko Co. Ltd. Nishi-Ochiai 3-9-19 Shinjyuku-Ku, Tokyo 161-8570 as its agency in Japan: Photo Electronics: Metz So, Kenko-Tokina is just the distributor of Metz products there. By the way: Metz: ca. 650 employees, Kenko-Tokina: ca. 200 employees Thanks for good info.

06-22-2011, 07:48 AM	#6
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Originally posted by ogl Canon and Nikon only - 58 model The rest flashes are for all brands. But...Kenko-Tokina offers Metz flashes... My Google search showed the 58 AF 2 available in Pentax mount at Amazon, Adorama, Tristate, etc. The Metz Web site shows it's also available in Olympus, Fuji, Sony, and Panasonic. Did I miss the point of your post, Ogl?

06-23-2011, 07:16 AM	#7
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	What causes a lot of confusion is the distributor in the western U.S.A. that distributes Tokina, Hoya, Kenko and Slik products. THK Photo Products, Inc. Some people draw a conclusion that they are owned by the same entity.

06-23-2011, 12:30 PM	#8
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Kenko & Tokina merged and are now one company. Kenko-Tokina Co. Ltd., It is a privately held company. Hoya is a publicly traded company, but half of its board of directors are the same people that own Kenko-Tokina. They are not the same company, but the same people own/control both companies.

06-23-2011, 08:35 PM	#9
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Winder Kenko & Tokina merged and are now one company. Kenko-Tokina Co. Ltd., It is a privately held company. Hoya is a publicly traded company, but half of its board of directors are the same people that own Kenko-Tokina. They are not the same company, but the same people own/control both companies. Very interesting. Thanks for that. Has anyone ever done a diagram mapping the corporate relationships between all the camera/lens companies in Japan. It would be a fascinating diagram. Most of the players in Japan (Canon/Nikon/Pentax/Sony/Sigma/Tamron etc) are probably deeply interlinked.

06-25-2011, 03:58 PM - 1 Like	#10
froeschle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 552	Kenko International Quote: Trade name Kenko Tokina Co., Ltd. Main shareholders Toru Yamanaka, Tetsuo Suzuki and others Main banks Mizuho Bank (Yaesuguchi Branch), Tokyo Mitsubishi UFJ Bank (Shinjyuku Branch) and Shoko Chukin Bank (head office) Directors Representative Director: Toru Yamanaka Director (part-time): Mamoru Yamanaka(Consultant of Hoya Co., Ltd.) Director (part-time): Tetsuo Suzuki (Honorary Chairman of Hoya Co., Ltd.) November 15, 1994: Appendix D: Hoya Corporation R&D Center Quote: Under the guidance of its chairman Tetsuo Suzuki and its president Mamoru Yamanaka, Hoya is aiming to transition from being a glass company to a "total company" by exploring the possibilities offered by optoelectronics technology for the 21st century. The grandson of Shigeru Yamanaka (Hoya founder) is Yutaka Yamanaka, who is a cousin of Hiroshi Suzuki (President / CEO Hoya). Hiroshi Suzuki is the son of Tetsuo Suzuki (Main shareholder / director Kenko Tokina). Tetsuo Suzuki was president of Hoya since 1957 successfully diversifying the family-run business into a leading manufacturer. In 1993, he became chairman, ceding the CEO slot to Mamoru Yamanaka, his brother-in-law and son of the company founder. Mamoru Yamanaka (Director Kenko Tokina, Consultant Hoya) is the fifth largest principal shareholder of Hoya. Hoya Founder’s Grandson Calls Pentax Acquisition One Of Company “Failures” Hoya CEO´s Cousin May Win on Pay Disclosure as Company Reconsiders Reform - glass global News Hiroshi Suzuki, president and CEO of Hoya Corp. HOYA CORPORATION\|Investor Relations ASIANOW - Asiaweek

06-28-2011, 06:04 PM	#11
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Great stuff. Are there any Hoya connections to Sigma or Tamron?

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06-28-2011, 11:01 PM	#13
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by bobmaxja Sony own 11% of Tamron Interesting. I note from their annual report that 29% of Tamron's sales go to Sony too. They must make most of the lenses for Sony's point and shoots I guess.

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reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,552	Japanese companies seem much more comfortable doing business with competitors than we see in North America. Sony is selling sensors to everybody while also competing against those same customers with a competing line of cameras. We don't see those business practices here. It's been long known that Tamron makes lenses for camera OEM's. They made some Pentax lenses also.

06-29-2011, 08:44 AM	#15
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by rawr Interesting. I note from their annual report that 29% of Tamron's sales go to Sony too. They must make most of the lenses for Sony's point and shoots I guess. Who makes the non-zeiss 35mm lenses for that matter. It could be Tamron. Hoya probably provides the glass.