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07-05-2011, 09:08 AM   #586
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If they change the name, I'll freak out...

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@redrockcoulee: There weren't that many m37 lenses out there in the ~4 year life of the Asahiflex series. Plus, several of those same lenses were made in the late 50s with the m42 universal mount. In fact the mirror boxes can be swapped around in those earlier bodies and the m37. There was a big difference in 1975 when pentax shifted to the K-mount. However, the registry distance has remained the same on the m37, m42 and K-mount bodies. Many like to take a dig at the K-mount but frankly, the Nikon mount they they have used for 4 decades is very similar and Nikon as demonstrated that the mound is very serviceable. The second thing many like to do is bust on the registry distance but again Nikon's is pretty darn close to the one Pentax has used for 60 years.

Edit: As a matter of fact, I am sitting here looking at my 17mm Pancake and Oly E-P1 and the mount looks a lot like the k-mount and Nikon mount.
My point was that both the name and the mount changed during the same ownership when the company decided it was in their best interest to do so. Ricoh will change the mount IF it is in the best interest to do however Hoya or Pentax itself would most likely do the same hence it should make little difference to us users on who owns the company. I suspect that the thing that could spell the end of the K mount is for the continued minituration of cameas and lenses and that might still be decades in the future. Nothing to worry about ( I hope).

Some one else stated they did not think that both Hoya and Ricoh could continue using the Pentax name without confusion in the market place. Other companies have done so, for example SAAB cars have not be assocaited with SAAB planes for a while and I do not think that SAAB Instrumention is related to either. As with SAAB, the two aspects of Pentax will not be in the same market, and a consumer product (sold in stores) and medical instruments sold be sales reps might as well be in different worlds.
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QuoteOriginally posted by redrockcoulee Quote
As with SAAB, the two aspects of Pentax will not be in the same market, and a consumer product (sold in stores) and medical instruments sold be sales reps might as well be in different worlds.
Just a thought: Online commerce continues to increase. Sales reps are headed for extinction. How soon till new Pentax Medical (Hoya) products are available from eBay stores? PENTAX PROCTOSCOPE! STARTING BID US$1 NO RESERVE! And then the artificial bones...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Chwisch87 Quote
Ricoh is probably considers canon as one of their chief rivals as they are both pretty heavily in the printer/copier business. I would imagine getting an imaging unit is the whole idea.
.... I'll cross my fingers for that, because it would imply we'd be in store for Pentax expanding its fast and/or long lens line-up to compete w/Canon.

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QuoteOriginally posted by redrockcoulee Quote
Some one else stated they did not think that both Hoya and Ricoh could continue using the Pentax name without confusion in the market place. Other companies have done so, for example SAAB cars have not be assocaited with SAAB planes for a while and I do not think that SAAB Instrumention is related to either. As with SAAB, the two aspects of Pentax will not be in the same market, and a consumer product (sold in stores) and medical instruments sold be sales reps might as well be in different worlds.
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QuoteOriginally posted by m8o Quote
.... I'll cross my fingers for that, because it would imply we'd be in store for Pentax expanding its fast and/or long lens line-up to compete w/Canon.
Yes please.
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Hopefully they realize that Pentax has a better name than Ricoh in the camera business...at least I think they do.
Yes indeed - the brand and make "Pentax" is one of the most valued intangible assets in this deal I suppose. That is why Ricoh has probably purchased this. Maybe Ricoh will split its business in a) office supply (copiers, etc.) under Ricoh brand and b) digital cameras under Pentax brand.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Eriol Quote
Yes indeed - the brand and make "Pentax" is one of the most valued intangible assets in this deal I suppose. That is why Ricoh has probably purchased this. Maybe Ricoh will split its business in a) office supply (copiers, etc.) und Ricoh brand and b) digital cameras under Pentax brand.

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Pentax has always been one of the Big 5 in industry terms from the SLR era:

Canon, Nikon, Minolta, Olympus, Pentax.

You might add Panasonic now, but M43 is trying to separate from the DSLR market and in reality the closed shop M43 consortium is a single entity. Fuji is also a player when it comes to P&S and they hint they'll re-enter the ILC market, likely with an APS-C variant of their X100.

Leica is in its own zone. Ricoh, Sigma, etc. are so small as to be non-players in reality. Casio also operates on the P&S fringe as does Kodak and some smaller players.

This leaves the DSLR market to 4 for FF and APS-C. Mirrorless offerings add another branch as 43 as a DSLR is pretty much dead. Only Pentax does not have FF, but Sony's offering is very dated. Pentax is the only mainstream manufacturer with a foot in the lucrative MF market (645D) as well as the consumer market. That says something.

I suspect the current 4 DSLR companies will stay with the SLR format alongside mirrorless, but I think they will look to pellicle. I certainly think Pentax should follow Sony here as it offers the best bang for the buck while retaining backwards compatibility. I think Nikon will enter mirrorless with a proprietary sensor somewhere above the Q and below M43, if rumours are to be believed (lots of technical, price, and market space there). Who knows what Canon is up to. Fuji is banging the drum and I have to say an X100 with interchangeable lenses, Fujinon glass, and an APS-C sensor with that excellent viewfinder would catch my eye.

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QuoteQuote:
Who knows what Canon is up to.
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/151054...ss-camera.html



Considering strategies, names and letters:
In the ABC, what connects P(entax) and R(icoh)? (The) Q (mount).
Ri(coh)P(entax) (RIP), however, is not really encouraging.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
Pentax has always been one of the Big 5 in industry terms from the SLR era:

Canon, Nikon, Minolta, Olympus, Pentax.

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True enough. Minolta abandoned the MD mount, didn't survive and is now Sony - which has far more brand value than Minolta in general, though I'm not sure if it does in the rarefied air of the SLR world. I had Minolta gear; they abandoned me, I wasn't happy about it. I'd replace them with Sony in your list for today (though is Olympus a factor? I looked at these five when deciding which DSLR to choose and of course chose Pentax and Olympus was quickly factored out).

Furthermore, to some of the other discussion, there's no reason to can the K-mount; it's clearly evolved along with technology to an adequate degree that the MD mount couldn't. Ricoh could conceivably resurrect their K-mount lenses, if necessary, too. Some were pretty damned good.
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For larger companies like Canon and Nikon, i don't think its necessary for them to be early into the MILC arena. They can sit back and see where the consumer demand is, then come in late with the right model and still make money at it. Thats the advantage of being a large company. Its more important for them to make the right decision than to make the early decision.

Ricoh GXR Hands on Preview: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review
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Ricoh's answer to this problem is, to say the least, novel. Rather than selling a camera body with a fixed sensor, the GXR system uses interchangeable lens/sensor units - every lens comes in a sealed unit complete with sensor, shutter, aperture, processing engine (there's also one in the camera body) and the motors necessary to focus the lens (and drive the zoom mechanism if present). You are, essentially, buying a new 'camera' every time you buy the lens: the GXR body is little more than a shell containing the screen, card slot, controls and flash. This radical rethink of the 'interchangeable lens' has some important consequences:
  • Different lens units can have different sensor sizes and technologies (CCD or CMOS, for example)
  • By using a smaller (compact camera) sensor the GXR system can offer very small zooms
  • Lens units can be designed for specialist applications (video optimized lens and sensor for example)
  • The overall performance of the system is essentially defined by the lens unit, not the body
  • Each lens has its own shutter
AS OF THIS POINT IN TIME, the Ricoh GXR system is the only one that credibly could offer the Pentax community a chance to use their pancake lenses in a compact camera with full AF functionality with an APS sensor. If we want that opportunity, its time to get behind the concept and ask for the K module.

For the hiker or lightweight traveler, its ideal. As the dpreview states, one could have a GXR module with a small consumer zoom and PS sensor, and also bring along high quality Pentax pancake lenses with an APS sensor module. 2 modules and the hiker has a complete kit. The accessory VF would enable some careful compositon on a tripod for landscape purposes.

I think i could like the GXR camera.
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QuoteOriginally posted by froeschle Quote
Add some Nikon Q rumors to this: PQRN
Ha, and now the Nikon crowd is wailing about why
I'm thinking if both Pentax and Nikon saw value in this sensor there is a market (that's not us)
It's nice that Pentax is the leader rather than the follower for this
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Ricoh

My first digital camera was a Ricoh several years ago I loved it. I just hope they don't change Pentax's name on their camera but only made things better.
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QuoteOriginally posted by eddie1960 Quote
QuoteQuote:
Add some Nikon Q rumors to this: PQRN
Ha, and now the Nikon crowd is wailing about why
I'm thinking if both Pentax and Nikon saw value in this sensor there is a market (that's not us)
It's nice that Pentax is the leader rather than the follower for this
Who wonders, why my corresponding entry is no longer visible here: It is not because of censorship due to similarities between Q and O . My firefox crashed several times in a row, showing my post also in an uncorrelated matter (-> cleanup ). I finally managed to place it in a dedicated Q thread. Hopefully, all, which are believing in conspiracy theories are convinced -> Q

Nevertheless, there now could be more "love" in this conversation ...
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QuoteOriginally posted by piledon Quote
True enough. Minolta abandoned the MD mount, didn't survive and is now Sony - which has far more brand value than Minolta in general, though I'm not sure if it does in the rarefied air of the SLR world. I had Minolta gear; they abandoned me, I wasn't happy about it. I'd replace them with Sony in your list for today (though is Olympus a factor? I looked at these five when deciding which DSLR to choose and of course chose Pentax and Olympus was quickly factored out).

Furthermore, to some of the other discussion, there's no reason to can the K-mount; it's clearly evolved along with technology to an adequate degree that the MD mount couldn't. Ricoh could conceivably resurrect their K-mount lenses, if necessary, too. Some were pretty damned good.
One of the things that really hurt Minolta wasn't the Maxxum mount per se, but the hammering they took in the lawsuit with Honeywell over the af patent which were really dodgy in that HW never had a working system. It was in the neighborhood of $127 Million (not exact). But the Alpha mount live on in Sony at the moment.
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