Facts about the Pentax brand name under Ricoh

robgo2 · 07-05-2011, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I think for GXR only two modules would make sence:
- New Q-mount module since this is a small system, and maybe even a 2/3th sensor would be possible.
- K-mount Full Frame sensor module would make sence. It is a new future for K-mount.

- APS-c sensor module wouldn't make sence since it will be still bulky and not adding anything new to the K-mount system.

Just my 2c.

If it were so easy to design a FF sensor for the GXR, I would have expected Ricoh to have done it with their forthcoming M module, but instead, they are going with APS-C. I think people underestimate the technical difficulties and cost of FF cameras.

Rob

RonHendriks1966 · 07-05-2011, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by robgo2

If it were so easy to design a FF sensor for the GXR, I would have expected Ricoh to have done it with their forthcoming M module, but instead, they are going with APS-C. I think people underestimate the technical difficulties and cost of FF cameras.

Rob

This could be the very main issue!

pinholecam · 07-05-2011, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

There is absolutely no reason to think they bought the brand just to kill K mount. could it happen down the road, sure but there would have to be a compelling reason to do it and I don't see that currently. A big part of the reason for buying Pentax was to move into the ILC market and grow it. That doesn't sound like they want to Kill K mount, it sounds like they want to add to it with more lens support and bodies if you ask me.
God we have a bunch of pessimists here. At this point i can see nothing but positive benefits for the brand with this change. Hoya really did the bare minimum to keep the brand viable while they looked to get rid of it

I think that too, but right now with nothing official, its free ammo for Canikon ppl to dissuade ppl from buying a Pentax.

The sooner Ricoh comes out with a statement that they WILL keep K-mount the better for everyone.

**Aristophanes** · 07-05-2011, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by robgo2

If it were so easy to design a FF sensor for the GXR, I would have expected Ricoh to have done it with their forthcoming M module, but instead, they are going with APS-C. I think people underestimate the technical difficulties and cost of FF cameras.

Rob

It's hard to design for an FF sensor when there are none around save proprietary designs from Sony, Canon, and Nikon, and the Sony one is ages old.

Blue · 07-05-2011, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

It's hard to design for an FF sensor when there are none around save proprietary designs from Sony, Canon, and Nikon, and the Sony one is ages old.

Well, there is Kodak.

lithos · 07-05-2011, 06:28 PM

Could...could this mean we might actually see some actual...marketing of Pentax now?

goddo31 · 07-05-2011, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by lithos

Could...could this mean we might actually see some actual...marketing of Pentax now?

I don't recall ever seeing any marketing of Ricoh!

ogl · 07-05-2011, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I think for GXR only two modules would make sence:
- New Q-mount module since this is a small system, and maybe even a 2/3th sensor would be possible.

1. Impossible. 2/3" sensor doesn't exist. Nobody manufacture such sensor for many years.
2. Only 1/2" sensor size could be put into Pentax Q body. Even 1/1.65" is almost problem.
Some men calculated it already.

eurostar · 07-05-2011, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

It's hard to design for an FF sensor when there are none around save proprietary designs from Sony, Canon, and Nikon, and the Sony one is ages old.

The Sony one is ages old, but isn't it still the younger one?

rawr · 07-05-2011, 11:08 PM - **1 Like**

It's interesting that wiki has Ricoh as part of the Tokai (Toyota Group) keiretsu, as well as the Fuyo group (?):
Keiretsu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

alongside Toyota, Suzuki etc in the Tokai group, and alongside Canon in the Fuyo group....

It is also notable in the wikipedia for Ricoh that Ricoh do indeed make their own chips, including some used by Sony, so I think their electronics and industrial potential is probably substantially greater than Hoya's ever was.

ogl · 07-06-2011, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by rawr

It's interesting that wiki has Ricoh as part of the Tokai (Toyota Group) keiretsu[/url]

Fuyo: A Japanese keiretsu that is financed through the Mizuho Bank, and holds the companies of Canon, Hitachi, Marubeni, Matsuya, Nissan, Ricoh, Tobu Railway, and Yamaha.

Full list
Canon (Fuji Bank)
Hitachi (Shunkou), also part of Nissan Group.
JFE Holdings (Asano)
Keihin Kyuko Electric Railway (Fuji Bank)
Marubeni (Odate)
Matsuya (Nedsu)
Meiji Yasuda Life Insurance (Yasuda)
Mizuho Corporate Bank (Yasuda)
Mizuho Trust Bank (Yasuda)
Nissan (Shunkou) - no longer considered part of the keiretsu, part of Nissan Group.
Oki Electric Industry (Yasuda)
Ricoh (Riken)
Sapporo Beer (Nedsu)
Sompo Japan Insurance (Yasuda), also part of Nissan Group.
Tobu Railway (Netsu)
Yamaha (Fuji Bank)

lithos · 07-06-2011, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by goddo31

I don't recall ever seeing any marketing of Ricoh!

There's a bit, a bit more than Ricoh.

I wonder if this spells the end of CRK's distribution of Pentax in Australia? Weird thing is, Ricoh cameras are distributed by Tasco, yet Ricoh does the distribution for their office equipment.

Wonder if this means we'll see Pentax distributed with Tamron lenses instead of Sigmas

...

adr1an · 07-06-2011, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by lithos

Wonder if this means we'll see Pentax distributed with Tamron lenses instead of Sigmas

Only if Maxwell International get involved... (aust. distributors of Tamron...)

falconeye · 07-06-2011, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by rawr

It is also notable in the wikipedia for Ricoh that Ricoh do indeed make their own chips, including some used by Sony, so I think their electronics and industrial potential is probably substantially greater than Hoya's ever was.

Makes me panic (almost

)

Not the "own chip dead end" (Samsung) again ...

So, I am glad to see that Ricoh seems to buy from Sony. E.g., their CX3 is said to use back-illuminated sensors which most likely means Sony.

The Pentax Q uses a Sony sensor too. As was leaked from this strange upside-down PDF document, the Pentax Q toy lenses are made in Thailand and I assume this means made by Ricoh already (they have a corresponding facility at Industrial Park Asia,Industrial Park Thailand,Industrial Estates Asia,Industrial Land Thailand ).

So, the Q could have had a Ricoh sensor but doesn't. Kind of relief

SteveM · 07-06-2011, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Fuyo: A Japanese keiretsu that is financed through the Mizuho Bank, and holds the companies of Canon, Hitachi, Marubeni, Matsuya, Nissan, Ricoh, Tobu Railway, and Yamaha.

I'm financed for my house through a bank....but I don't work for them, and my company doesn't either. Did I miss something here?

07-05-2011, 10:10 PM	#98
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I think for GXR only two modules would make sence: - New Q-mount module since this is a small system, and maybe even a 2/3th sensor would be possible. 1. Impossible. 2/3" sensor doesn't exist. Nobody manufacture such sensor for many years. 2. Only 1/2" sensor size could be put into Pentax Q body. Even 1/1.65" is almost problem. Some men calculated it already. Last edited by ogl; 07-05-2011 at 11:08 PM.

07-06-2011, 12:57 AM	#101
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by rawr It's interesting that wiki has Ricoh as part of the Tokai (Toyota Group) keiretsu[/url] Fuyo: A Japanese keiretsu that is financed through the Mizuho Bank, and holds the companies of Canon, Hitachi, Marubeni, Matsuya, Nissan, Ricoh, Tobu Railway, and Yamaha. Full list Canon (Fuji Bank) Hitachi (Shunkou), also part of Nissan Group. JFE Holdings (Asano) Keihin Kyuko Electric Railway (Fuji Bank) Marubeni (Odate) Matsuya (Nedsu) Meiji Yasuda Life Insurance (Yasuda) Mizuho Corporate Bank (Yasuda) Mizuho Trust Bank (Yasuda) Nissan (Shunkou) - no longer considered part of the keiretsu, part of Nissan Group. Oki Electric Industry (Yasuda) Ricoh (Riken) Sapporo Beer (Nedsu) Sompo Japan Insurance (Yasuda), also part of Nissan Group. Tobu Railway (Netsu) Yamaha (Fuji Bank) Last edited by ogl; 07-06-2011 at 01:07 AM.

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07-05-2011, 02:58 PM	#91
robgo2 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Mexico Photos: Albums Posts: 1,125	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I think for GXR only two modules would make sence: - New Q-mount module since this is a small system, and maybe even a 2/3th sensor would be possible. - K-mount Full Frame sensor module would make sence. It is a new future for K-mount. - APS-c sensor module wouldn't make sence since it will be still bulky and not adding anything new to the K-mount system. Just my 2c. If it were so easy to design a FF sensor for the GXR, I would have expected Ricoh to have done it with their forthcoming M module, but instead, they are going with APS-C. I think people underestimate the technical difficulties and cost of FF cameras. Rob

07-05-2011, 03:15 PM	#92
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by robgo2 If it were so easy to design a FF sensor for the GXR, I would have expected Ricoh to have done it with their forthcoming M module, but instead, they are going with APS-C. I think people underestimate the technical difficulties and cost of FF cameras. Rob This could be the very main issue!

07-05-2011, 04:30 PM	#93
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,709	Originally posted by eddie1960 There is absolutely no reason to think they bought the brand just to kill K mount. could it happen down the road, sure but there would have to be a compelling reason to do it and I don't see that currently. A big part of the reason for buying Pentax was to move into the ILC market and grow it. That doesn't sound like they want to Kill K mount, it sounds like they want to add to it with more lens support and bodies if you ask me. God we have a bunch of pessimists here. At this point i can see nothing but positive benefits for the brand with this change. Hoya really did the bare minimum to keep the brand viable while they looked to get rid of it I think that too, but right now with nothing official, its free ammo for Canikon ppl to dissuade ppl from buying a Pentax. The sooner Ricoh comes out with a statement that they WILL keep K-mount the better for everyone.

07-05-2011, 05:24 PM	#94
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by robgo2 If it were so easy to design a FF sensor for the GXR, I would have expected Ricoh to have done it with their forthcoming M module, but instead, they are going with APS-C. I think people underestimate the technical difficulties and cost of FF cameras. Rob It's hard to design for an FF sensor when there are none around save proprietary designs from Sony, Canon, and Nikon, and the Sony one is ages old.

07-05-2011, 05:25 PM	#95
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Aristophanes It's hard to design for an FF sensor when there are none around save proprietary designs from Sony, Canon, and Nikon, and the Sony one is ages old. Well, there is Kodak.

07-05-2011, 06:28 PM	#96
lithos Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, QLD, AUS Posts: 3,261	Could...could this mean we might actually see some actual...marketing of Pentax now?

07-05-2011, 07:39 PM	#97
goddo31 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,576	Originally posted by lithos Could...could this mean we might actually see some actual...marketing of Pentax now? I don't recall ever seeing any marketing of Ricoh!

07-05-2011, 10:28 PM	#99
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by Aristophanes It's hard to design for an FF sensor when there are none around save proprietary designs from Sony, Canon, and Nikon, and the Sony one is ages old. The Sony one is ages old, but isn't it still the younger one?

07-05-2011, 11:08 PM - 1 Like	#100
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	It's interesting that wiki has Ricoh as part of the Tokai (Toyota Group) keiretsu, as well as the Fuyo group (?): Keiretsu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia alongside Toyota, Suzuki etc in the Tokai group, and alongside Canon in the Fuyo group.... It is also notable in the wikipedia for Ricoh that Ricoh do indeed make their own chips, including some used by Sony, so I think their electronics and industrial potential is probably substantially greater than Hoya's ever was.

07-06-2011, 01:13 AM	#102
lithos Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, QLD, AUS Posts: 3,261	Originally posted by goddo31 I don't recall ever seeing any marketing of Ricoh! There's a bit, a bit more than Ricoh. I wonder if this spells the end of CRK's distribution of Pentax in Australia? Weird thing is, Ricoh cameras are distributed by Tasco, yet Ricoh does the distribution for their office equipment. Wonder if this means we'll see Pentax distributed with Tamron lenses instead of Sigmas ...

07-06-2011, 01:15 AM	#103
adr1an Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canberra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 739	Originally posted by lithos Wonder if this means we'll see Pentax distributed with Tamron lenses instead of Sigmas Only if Maxwell International get involved... (aust. distributors of Tamron...)

07-06-2011, 01:44 AM	#104
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871 Original Poster	Originally posted by rawr It is also notable in the wikipedia for Ricoh that Ricoh do indeed make their own chips, including some used by Sony, so I think their electronics and industrial potential is probably substantially greater than Hoya's ever was. Makes me panic (almost ) Not the "own chip dead end" (Samsung) again ... So, I am glad to see that Ricoh seems to buy from Sony. E.g., their CX3 is said to use back-illuminated sensors which most likely means Sony. The Pentax Q uses a Sony sensor too. As was leaked from this strange upside-down PDF document, the Pentax Q toy lenses are made in Thailand and I assume this means made by Ricoh already (they have a corresponding facility at Industrial Park Asia,Industrial Park Thailand,Industrial Estates Asia,Industrial Land Thailand ). So, the Q could have had a Ricoh sensor but doesn't. Kind of relief

07-06-2011, 01:48 AM	#105
SteveM Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,294	Originally posted by ogl Fuyo: A Japanese keiretsu that is financed through the Mizuho Bank, and holds the companies of Canon, Hitachi, Marubeni, Matsuya, Nissan, Ricoh, Tobu Railway, and Yamaha. I'm financed for my house through a bank....but I don't work for them, and my company doesn't either. Did I miss something here?