K-mount mirrorless still in the works.

jogiba · 07-24-2011, 06:10 AM

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RioRico · 07-24-2011, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

Always nice to see non techno-kids write about techno-kids. Theories about why they do what they do.

Very well. I will rephrase that: That may be part of why shooters and tweeters shoot and tweet.

philbaum · 07-25-2011, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay II

I'm still a huge fan of really good OVF's (which unfortunately excludes almost all non-full frame OVF's), but honestly the visual process is the same whether I'm looking through an EVF or looking through a prism. I'm about to head out to do some street shooting with my G1 in a few mins so I just did a quick camera check before heading out; almost every single time I look through that EVF it impresses me. Being able to see lens flaws, DOF, bokeh quality, custom grid lines, histogram, and exposure all while you compose is simply wonderful. Of course you can turn as much of that on/off as you please. I'll use film SLR's until the day I die, but will I ever switch back to an OVF in the digital world? It's doubtful. It would take a Pentax 645-like OVF to get me back I'm afraid.

I don't know if the fuji x100 is considered an ovf or evf, probably an evf i would guess. but when i looked through it, very impressive. Bright, contains more of the view than just what the camera will include so it helps composition. frankly, i think its the best feature of the x100

**Aristophanes** · 07-25-2011, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by philbaum

I don't know if the fuji x100 is considered an ovf or evf, probably an evf i would guess. but when i looked through it, very impressive. Bright, contains more of the view than just what the camera will include so it helps composition. frankly, i think its the best feature of the x100

Fuji (and others, including critics) call it a hybrid VF.

I've tried it and think it a brilliant design. However, I think it is limited in function to a fixed lens setup. I think it would stumble on any tele beyond 70mm and a WA under 24mm. Maybe there is the possibility of a folding zoom system within the OVF component, but I doubt it.

The virtue of a reflex system OVF is it can see all FL's at 100% DR without flinching. Reflex mirror = WYSIWYG including the zoom.

Last edited by Aristophanes; 07-25-2011 at 07:06 PM.

tsammyc · 08-02-2011, 12:19 AM

Here is the NEX C3 with Pentax DA40 Ltd & Kipon adapter. It actually much more attractive than Sony's E lenses mounted on a black C3 and takes far sharper pictures..... Please make the Pentax EVIL NEX sized...

Here's a shot with the combo wide open

Art Vandelay II · 08-02-2011, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by uccemebug

That would be an interesting design, but I'll believe it when I see it. My contact at Sony's imaging division just laughed at that mockup.

I think your contact is out of the loop:

www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-huge-sony-leak

I still don't know what Sony is thinking though. The NEX-7 body looks great, but that 24mm lens is huge! Samsung has a nice tiny carry everywhere 30mm f/2. That is exactly what needs to be bundled with the NEX-7.

RBellavance · 08-02-2011, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay II

I think your contact is out of the loop:

sonyalpharumors | Blog | (SR5) Huge Sony leak!!!

I still don't know what Sony is thinking though. The NEX-7 body looks great, but that 24mm lens is huge! Samsung has a nice tiny carry everywhere 30mm f/2. That is exactly what needs to be bundled with the NEX-7.

Agreed about the 24/1.8, it is very large. And I think the two e-dials side-by-side is a very, very bad ergonomic design.

Raffwal · 08-02-2011, 09:28 AM - **1 Like**

The Sony NEX-7 rumors are starting to look more and more reliable. And if they are accurate, THAT is the camera that Pentax should've made with some sort of a K mount support and not the stupid stupid stupid Q.

I was already planning to get a NEX-5 as my compact camera, but especially now looking at the crystal ball, I definitely see a NEX in my future.

RonHendriks1966 · 08-02-2011, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by tsammyc

Here is the NEX C3 with Pentax DA40 Ltd & Kipon adapter. It actually much more attractive than Sony's E lenses mounted on a black C3 and takes far sharper pictures..... Please make the Pentax EVIL NEX sized...

Wow that 40mm doesn't look so pancaky anymore.

Blue · 08-02-2011, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by RBellavance

Agreed about the 24/1.8, it is very large. And I think the two e-dials side-by-side is a very, very bad ergonomic design.

It isn't very large considering it is a f1.8 24mm Zeiss lens. I agree about the edials though. I would hate flush the toilet thinking I was opening the lid.

**Fontan** · 08-02-2011, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Raffwal

The Sony NEX-7 rumors are starting to look more and more reliable. And if they are accurate, THAT is the camera that Pentax should've made with some sort of a K mount support and not the stupid stupid stupid Q.

I was already planning to get a NEX-5 as my compact camera, but especially now looking at the crystal ball, I definitely see a NEX in my future.

.... and that Zeiss prime. Damn. I will buy the NEX - 7, just for that.

johnmflores · 08-02-2011, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by tsammyc

Here is the NEX C3 with Pentax DA40 Ltd & Kipon adapter. It actually much more attractive than Sony's E lenses mounted on a black C3 and takes far sharper pictures..... Please make the Pentax EVIL NEX sized...

Here's a shot with the combo wide open

That looks like a sweet little setup, but the moment you start talking about 5x and 10x zooms the NEX moves closer and closer in size to a small dSLR like the A33. As much as I like pancake primes, we live in a zoom world now, and compact prime setups like yours will not likely be mainstream setups.

falconeye · 08-03-2011, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay II

www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-huge-sony-leak

Thanks for the link!

Anybody noticed the LA-EA2 rumor within it?

Eventually, somebody is doing a decent mirrorless-SLR lens adapter (again). And I must notice that this somebody is Sony. Rumors have it (and I assume because it is the logical thing to do) that the LA-EA2 will have a phase AF module and no viewfinder as it isn't required with EVFs. Rumors have it too that the adapter embedds an AF motor to autofocus older SLR lenses. It's an A-mount adapter (E->A=EA).

Now imagine an LA-EK2 or LA-EK1...

tsammyc · 08-03-2011, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

That looks like a sweet little setup, but the moment you start talking about 5x and 10x zooms the NEX moves closer and closer in size to a small dSLR like the A33. As much as I like pancake primes, we live in a zoom world now, and compact prime setups like yours will not likely be mainstream setups.

Agreed. The question is whether one uses the EVIL as a primary or secondary body. For me, its a secondary body to my K5 for obtaining the same IQ without advertising myself as a DSLR shooter.

The BIG question to me is how good Pentax's EVIL specific lenses are. If they are Sony's disasterous E-mount image quality then I will never use them. I presume Pentax will have a K-mount adapter that allows auto focussing. Sony has one for E to A-mount, but autofocus is unacceptably slow so its almost useless. So another BIG question is the autofocus performance of Pentax's EVIL to K-mount adapter.

froeschle · 08-03-2011, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Anybody noticed the LA-EA2 rumor within it?

Yes

, this rumor is not new:
sonyalpharumors | Blog | (SR5) The revolution is coming: NEX adapter with built-in translucent mirror!
sonyalpharumors | Blog | Some additional thoughts about the adapter

Recently, a price also was mentioned: LA-EA2 will cost around $400?

For "A" functionality, the LA-EA1 already exists at a street price of about 140$.

How and if screw drive will be supported is still a matter of debate. The increased price compared to the LA-EA1 suggests AF functionality. It seems also to indicate that a mirrorless-DSLR-lens-adapter with AF functionality is doable at a reasonable price point. So, one in principle would not be forced to use silly, crippled versions. On the other hand, a K-x/-r is not that much more expensive (about $500).

08-02-2011, 06:18 AM	#141
Art Vandelay II Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 886	Originally posted by uccemebug That would be an interesting design, but I'll believe it when I see it. My contact at Sony's imaging division just laughed at that mockup. I think your contact is out of the loop: www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-huge-sony-leak I still don't know what Sony is thinking though. The NEX-7 body looks great, but that 24mm lens is huge! Samsung has a nice tiny carry everywhere 30mm f/2. That is exactly what needs to be bundled with the NEX-7. Last edited by Art Vandelay II; 08-02-2011 at 07:01 AM.

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philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by Art Vandelay II I'm still a huge fan of really good OVF's (which unfortunately excludes almost all non-full frame OVF's), but honestly the visual process is the same whether I'm looking through an EVF or looking through a prism. I'm about to head out to do some street shooting with my G1 in a few mins so I just did a quick camera check before heading out; almost every single time I look through that EVF it impresses me. Being able to see lens flaws, DOF, bokeh quality, custom grid lines, histogram, and exposure all while you compose is simply wonderful. Of course you can turn as much of that on/off as you please. I'll use film SLR's until the day I die, but will I ever switch back to an OVF in the digital world? It's doubtful. It would take a Pentax 645-like OVF to get me back I'm afraid. I don't know if the fuji x100 is considered an ovf or evf, probably an evf i would guess. but when i looked through it, very impressive. Bright, contains more of the view than just what the camera will include so it helps composition. frankly, i think its the best feature of the x100

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Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by philbaum I don't know if the fuji x100 is considered an ovf or evf, probably an evf i would guess. but when i looked through it, very impressive. Bright, contains more of the view than just what the camera will include so it helps composition. frankly, i think its the best feature of the x100 Fuji (and others, including critics) call it a hybrid VF. I've tried it and think it a brilliant design. However, I think it is limited in function to a fixed lens setup. I think it would stumble on any tele beyond 70mm and a WA under 24mm. Maybe there is the possibility of a folding zoom system within the OVF component, but I doubt it. The virtue of a reflex system OVF is it can see all FL's at 100% DR without flinching. Reflex mirror = WYSIWYG including the zoom. Last edited by Aristophanes; 07-25-2011 at 07:06 PM.

08-02-2011, 12:19 AM	#140
tsammyc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 101	Here is the NEX C3 with Pentax DA40 Ltd & Kipon adapter. It actually much more attractive than Sony's E lenses mounted on a black C3 and takes far sharper pictures..... Please make the Pentax EVIL NEX sized... Here's a shot with the combo wide open

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RBellavance Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Near Montréal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by Art Vandelay II I think your contact is out of the loop: sonyalpharumors \| Blog \| (SR5) Huge Sony leak!!! I still don't know what Sony is thinking though. The NEX-7 body looks great, but that 24mm lens is huge! Samsung has a nice tiny carry everywhere 30mm f/2. That is exactly what needs to be bundled with the NEX-7. Agreed about the 24/1.8, it is very large. And I think the two e-dials side-by-side is a very, very bad ergonomic design.

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Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	The Sony NEX-7 rumors are starting to look more and more reliable. And if they are accurate, THAT is the camera that Pentax should've made with some sort of a K mount support and not the stupid stupid stupid Q. I was already planning to get a NEX-5 as my compact camera, but especially now looking at the crystal ball, I definitely see a NEX in my future.

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RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by tsammyc Here is the NEX C3 with Pentax DA40 Ltd & Kipon adapter. It actually much more attractive than Sony's E lenses mounted on a black C3 and takes far sharper pictures..... Please make the Pentax EVIL NEX sized... Wow that 40mm doesn't look so pancaky anymore.

08-02-2011, 03:54 PM	#145
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by RBellavance Agreed about the 24/1.8, it is very large. And I think the two e-dials side-by-side is a very, very bad ergonomic design. It isn't very large considering it is a f1.8 24mm Zeiss lens. I agree about the edials though. I would hate flush the toilet thinking I was opening the lid.

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08-02-2011, 11:18 PM	#147
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by tsammyc Here is the NEX C3 with Pentax DA40 Ltd & Kipon adapter. It actually much more attractive than Sony's E lenses mounted on a black C3 and takes far sharper pictures..... Please make the Pentax EVIL NEX sized... Here's a shot with the combo wide open That looks like a sweet little setup, but the moment you start talking about 5x and 10x zooms the NEX moves closer and closer in size to a small dSLR like the A33. As much as I like pancake primes, we live in a zoom world now, and compact prime setups like yours will not likely be mainstream setups.

08-03-2011, 02:11 AM	#148
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Art Vandelay II www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-huge-sony-leak Thanks for the link! Anybody noticed the LA-EA2 rumor within it? Eventually, somebody is doing a decent mirrorless-SLR lens adapter (again). And I must notice that this somebody is Sony. Rumors have it (and I assume because it is the logical thing to do) that the LA-EA2 will have a phase AF module and no viewfinder as it isn't required with EVFs. Rumors have it too that the adapter embedds an AF motor to autofocus older SLR lenses. It's an A-mount adapter (E->A=EA). Now imagine an LA-EK2 or LA-EK1...

08-03-2011, 03:28 AM	#149
tsammyc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 101	Originally posted by johnmflores That looks like a sweet little setup, but the moment you start talking about 5x and 10x zooms the NEX moves closer and closer in size to a small dSLR like the A33. As much as I like pancake primes, we live in a zoom world now, and compact prime setups like yours will not likely be mainstream setups. Agreed. The question is whether one uses the EVIL as a primary or secondary body. For me, its a secondary body to my K5 for obtaining the same IQ without advertising myself as a DSLR shooter. The BIG question to me is how good Pentax's EVIL specific lenses are. If they are Sony's disasterous E-mount image quality then I will never use them. I presume Pentax will have a K-mount adapter that allows auto focussing. Sony has one for E to A-mount, but autofocus is unacceptably slow so its almost useless. So another BIG question is the autofocus performance of Pentax's EVIL to K-mount adapter.

08-03-2011, 03:39 AM	#150
froeschle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 552	Quote: Anybody noticed the LA-EA2 rumor within it? Yes , this rumor is not new: sonyalpharumors \| Blog \| (SR5) The revolution is coming: NEX adapter with built-in translucent mirror! sonyalpharumors \| Blog \| Some additional thoughts about the adapter Recently, a price also was mentioned: LA-EA2 will cost around $400? For "A" functionality, the LA-EA1 already exists at a street price of about 140$. How and if screw drive will be supported is still a matter of debate. The increased price compared to the LA-EA1 suggests AF functionality. It seems also to indicate that a mirrorless-DSLR-lens-adapter with AF functionality is doable at a reasonable price point. So, one in principle would not be forced to use silly, crippled versions. On the other hand, a K-x/-r is not that much more expensive (about $500).