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07-21-2011, 02:27 PM   #76
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QuoteOriginally posted by Blue Quote
I remember Pentax working with Kodak on several prototypes 10 years ago including the early 645D the MZ-D etc. Its possible they worked with more than one given it was a prototype development project.
AFAICR, the Kodak cooperation was only for the 645D, which indeed finally reached market with a Kodak KAF-40000 CCD sensor.

The MZ-D prototype was based around the Philips chip mentioned previously, and I never heard mention of Kodak in relation to it. (In fact, when Kodak released their own full-frame DSLRs a couple of years later, *they* weren't based around Kodak chips either, but rather ones supplied by FillFactory.)

If I'm wrong in that recollection, I'd love to hear about it, though.

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Isn't that the idea behind Ricoh's GXR?
Too proprietary, and the module includes too much besides a sensor. No one else ever going to make modules for it.

Let the camera hardware guy build the camera, let us decide what kindo sensor to insert into it, like we used to with film.
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QuoteOriginally posted by conradj Quote
me, i don't just want interchangeable lenses, i want interchangeable sensors. C'mon, global conglomerates, you just have to start off with a spec.

Here, now it's time to do candid indoor night shots at the pub; i'll slot in my low rez hi-sensitivity sensor. Time for landscapes? No problem; there's my high-pixel count, no-AA filter fine arts sensor.
Hey look! i just scored one of the last batch of Foveon sensors ever made!
QuoteOriginally posted by Ubuntu_user Quote
Isn't that the idea behind Ricoh's GXR?
QuoteOriginally posted by conradj Quote
Too proprietary, and the module includes too much besides a sensor. No one else ever going to make modules for it.

Let the camera hardware guy build the camera, let us decide what kindo sensor to insert into it, like we used to with film.
I here you! In the thread early X-mas.... in DSLR I stated for the things Ricoh should announce for us:

Modules for GXR with K-mount (APS-C and Full Frame sensor) and a module for Q-mount. The first two would actually bring what you want. Only I don't think you ever going to change it. It's a nice idea for changing sensors, but in practice I think that those camera after several chnages won't produce any sharp images anymore since there will be some movement.

We live in a world where Microsoft and Apple produce everything as plug and play and we don't do any Do it yourself products.
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QuoteOriginally posted by kent Quote
with current lens line up, there is no chance for FF to come
Sort of like "With the current 645 lens line-up, there's no chance they'll make a 645D."



Never say never...

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+1, and always hope for something that would make so much sense and would be so good for the entire production.
Not so far away (i remember this in a 2 years old interview), one Pentax cheef stated "we know doing everything".
Let them put this promise into real life !
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QuoteOriginally posted by 24X36NOW Quote
Sort of like "With the current 645 lens line-up, there's no chance they'll make a 645D."



Never say never...
Excepté that 645 lenses have always been available.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Excepté that 645 lenses have always been available.
35mm has also always been available?

If Pentax want to be a brand for professionals they need to have a line of professional cameras. Right now there's only the 645d, and the lack of other pro cameras might frighten people that want to buy in to the 645 system. That's what I think.
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Interchangeable Lenses : Digital Cameras : Products : PENTAX

This link of Pentax Japan shows not less than 11 FA/FA-J/D-FA lenses still in production, that fit on KAF 24x36 / 35mm format.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Interchangeable Lenses : Digital Cameras : Products : PENTAX

This link of Pentax Japan shows not less than 11 FA/FA-J/D-FA lenses still in production, that fit on KAF 24x36 / 35mm format.
Some of those lenses wont impresse a potential 2000+ euro camera buyer, since you don't want such a camera with a lens like some of those old zooms.

The FA Ltd series (31, 43 and 77), macro 100mm, some of the DA* (55, 200, 300 and 60-250) and some of the DA Ltd (40 and 70) are good for use. So there is still a need for some wide-angle and some descent zooms (f2.8 zoom and standard zoomlens).
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Some of those lenses wont impresse a potential 2000+ euro camera buyer, since you don't want such a camera with a lens like some of those old zooms.

The FA Ltd series (31, 43 and 77), macro 100mm, some of the DA* (55, 200, 300 and 60-250) and some of the DA Ltd (40 and 70) are good for use. So there is still a need for some wide-angle and some descent zooms (f2.8 zoom and standard zoomlens).
Exactly. I don't know that Pentax needs a bunch of new lenses to bring out full frame, but they would need a couple of bread and butter zooms: 24-70 ish f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8. These lenses would need to have new drive motors installed (faster and more reliable than SDM). Could they do it? Of course, if it's part of the overall plan.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
The FA Ltd series (31, 43 and 77), macro 100mm, some of the DA* (55, 200, 300 and 60-250) and some of the DA Ltd (40 and 70) are good for use. So there is still a need for some wide-angle and some descent zooms (f2.8 zoom and standard zoomlens).
Correct.

And Sigma USA lists 25 lenses if you search for full frame K-mount lenses (incl. 4 lenses marked discontinued but excluding the missing 150mm Macro).

This includes a 12-24 wide angle zoom, 20/1.8 wide angle prime, the 24-70/70-200 f/2.8 standard zoom pair, or 300/2.8 and 500/4.5 primes.

A K-mount full frame body would not suffer from a lack of lens options, to say the least ...
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Let' s add the Cosina 19-35mm f/3.5-4.5 which is used by quite a lot of Canon 5D and 5DII owner, a bunch of Zeiss (at least 8 lenses) and Voigtlander (at least 3 lenses) still for sale... even if they are to be discontinued in K mount.

For the zooms, it will depend on sensor resolution.
I hope for a start it could be contained to about 20-24 Mpix.
I my opinion; Ricoh would just need to refurbish the very good FA 24-90/3.5-4.5 boosted by a SDM engine. For a good start.
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do not forget Tamron
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... nor Samyang, with at least fish-eye 8,5mm, rectilinear 14mm, fast 35 and 85mm, all quite good and FF shaped, KA and manual focus lenses.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
The FA Ltd series (31, 43 and 77), macro 100mm, some of the DA* (55, 200, 300 and 60-250) and some of the DA Ltd (40 and 70) are good for use. So there is still a need for some wide-angle and some descent zooms (f2.8 zoom and standard zoomlens).
QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
Correct.
I don't understand why DA*60-250/4 is always said to be full-frame. Mine is definitely not, it visibly vignettes in a film camera viewfinder.
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