Pentax Q, Auto 110 digital and K-1 24x36

sjwaldron · 07-20-2011, 12:32 PM

This is some type of meet & try event at Pentax HQ in Japan. Probably specifically for the Q, but they always include some neat stuff like that K-1.

kent · 07-20-2011, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

S (the Kodak-sensor based K1D))

is it? I thought it had philips sensor (same in Contax ND)

knoxploration · 07-20-2011, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

There is also mention that the Q mount is meant for a bigger image circle than 1/2.3".

That's logical. You've got a 1/2.3" image sensor, and a sensor shift stabilization system. The image circle hence has to be bigger than 1/2.3".

The question is, can you use a sensor larger than 1/2.3" without either removing the sensor shift assembly altogether, or reducing the corrective abilities of the system.

Originally posted by kent

is it? I thought it had philips sensor (same in Contax ND)

Yes, it was the same six megapixel Philips FTF3020C CCD sensor as the Contax.

RioRico · 07-20-2011, 02:01 PM

Falk (along with maybe a few others) seems to have some inside information. Many of the rest of use are just "reading the tea leaves". That is like analyzing pictures of politburo members at military parades to determine who's in and who's out of power. Entertaining and fun, yes, but not really productive. Predicting the future is much easier in hindsight.

Blue · 07-20-2011, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by knoxploration

That's logical. You've got a 1/2.3" image sensor, and a sensor shift stabilization system. The image circle hence has to be bigger than 1/2.3".

The question is, can you use a sensor larger than 1/2.3" without either removing the sensor shift assembly altogether, or reducing the corrective abilities of the system.

Yes, it was the same six megapixel Philips FTF3020C CCD sensor as the Contax.

I remember Pentax working with Kodak on several prototypes 10 years ago including the early 645D the MZ-D etc. Its possible they worked with more than one given it was a prototype development project.

Klex · 07-21-2011, 02:36 AM

falconeye · 07-21-2011, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by kent

is it? I thought it had philips sensor (same in Contax ND)

I am wrong.

My memory served me wrong and I thought Kodak was involved. Yes, I meant the same thing which Contax commercialized
Contax N Digital Review
and which made them sink. It had a Phillips sensor indeed.
The Pentax MZ-D MZ-D obviously rebranded K-1 by some funny Pentax employees.

froeschle · 07-21-2011, 04:27 AM

Funny employees used the K-1 designation as an alternative for MR-52 or MZ-D already several years ago

: K-1

The official reason to cancel this camera was the price of the sensor (and not the performance): Pentax cancel 6mp digital SLR: Digital Photography Review

Quote:

John Dickins, Marketing Manager, Pentax U.K. Limited said, "The cost of manufacturing the prototype SLR 6-megapixel digital camera meant it was not a viable product for our target market. However, we have gained a great deal of knowledge and experience in the development of this prototype which will ensure technological innovation in future Pentax digital products."

Maybe they wanted to show the big FF (built-in grip) vs. the small Q. However for that purpose already the K-5, 645D (with Korejanai-Robo painting

), 645 and 67 were made available:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6137/5943421002_520c9f447e_b.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6140/5942711062_02af43d91a_b.jpg

So, why should Pentax present the K-1 again? After 645D and Q it is the last idea not realized yet...

Christopher M.W.T · 07-21-2011, 05:37 AM

It annoys me so much of this good information is in Japanese. Really doesn't help get these products exposed to the wider "global" market.

conradj · 07-21-2011, 07:14 AM

me, i don't just want interchangeable lenses, i want interchangeable sensors. C'mon, global conglomerates, you just have to start off with a spec.

Here, now it's time to do candid indoor night shots at the pub; i'll slot in my low rez hi-sensitivity sensor. Time for landscapes? No problem; there's my high-pixel count, no-AA filter fine arts sensor.
Hey look! i just scored one of the last batch of Foveon sensors ever made!

Aku Ankka · 07-21-2011, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

There is also mention that the Q mount is meant for a bigger image circle than 1/2.3". Is anybody able to read Japanese?

If I recall right, the image circle is a bit larger due to the of the image stabilizer. One issue with the mount and putting a bigger sensor on it is the flange focal distance - was it 9mm? That would be really unsuitable for much larger sensor, so the lenses would need to include a short empty tube making them larger than they'd be otherewise.

Ubuntu_user · 07-21-2011, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by conradj

me, i don't just want interchangeable lenses, i want interchangeable sensors. C'mon, global conglomerates, you just have to start off with a spec.

Here, now it's time to do candid indoor night shots at the pub; i'll slot in my low rez hi-sensitivity sensor. Time for landscapes? No problem; there's my high-pixel count, no-AA filter fine arts sensor.
Hey look! i just scored one of the last batch of Foveon sensors ever made!

Isn't that the idea behind Ricoh's GXR?

pghwarrior23 · 07-21-2011, 09:59 AM

Drooling at the thought of a full frame Pentax that can match or beat the D700 or 5DMKII! Give me that and a couple of FA primes and I am in heaven!! Also of course there are several Sigma lenses all ready for use on full frame for Pentax as well including the new 70-200 f/2.8 and the 85mm f/1.4

Blue · 07-21-2011, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Aku Ankka

If I recall right, the image circle is a bit larger due to the of the image stabilizer. One issue with the mount and putting a bigger sensor on it is the flange focal distance - was it 9mm? That would be really unsuitable for much larger sensor, so the lenses would need to include a short empty tube making them larger than they'd be otherewise.

It can use a bigger sensor (not thicker sensor) based on reports from Pentax.

RonHendriks1966 · 07-21-2011, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Blue

It can use a bigger sensor (not thicker sensor) based on reports from Pentax.

Well a 2/3" (6,6 x 8,8mm) would be great, since it is twice the sice off the current sensor. With a 16 megapixel sensor the pixels would have 50 % larger surface and that should improve image quality (I guess).

07-20-2011, 01:07 PM	#63
knoxploration Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 846	Originally posted by falconeye There is also mention that the Q mount is meant for a bigger image circle than 1/2.3". That's logical. You've got a 1/2.3" image sensor, and a sensor shift stabilization system. The image circle hence has to be bigger than 1/2.3". The question is, can you use a sensor larger than 1/2.3" without either removing the sensor shift assembly altogether, or reducing the corrective abilities of the system. Originally posted by kent is it? I thought it had philips sensor (same in Contax ND) Yes, it was the same six megapixel Philips FTF3020C CCD sensor as the Contax. Last edited by knoxploration; 07-20-2011 at 01:15 PM.

07-21-2011, 07:14 AM	#70
conradj Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 188	me, i don't just want interchangeable lenses, i want interchangeable sensors. C'mon, global conglomerates, you just have to start off with a spec. Here, now it's time to do candid indoor night shots at the pub; i'll slot in my low rez hi-sensitivity sensor. Time for landscapes? No problem; there's my high-pixel count, no-AA filter fine arts sensor. Hey look! i just scored one of the last batch of Foveon sensors ever made! Last edited by conradj; 07-21-2011 at 07:20 AM.

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07-20-2011, 12:32 PM	#61
sjwaldron Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,235	This is some type of meet & try event at Pentax HQ in Japan. Probably specifically for the Q, but they always include some neat stuff like that K-1.

07-20-2011, 12:51 PM	#62
kent Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 344	Originally posted by falconeye S (the Kodak-sensor based K1D)) is it? I thought it had philips sensor (same in Contax ND)

07-20-2011, 02:01 PM	#64
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Falk (along with maybe a few others) seems to have some inside information. Many of the rest of use are just "reading the tea leaves". That is like analyzing pictures of politburo members at military parades to determine who's in and who's out of power. Entertaining and fun, yes, but not really productive. Predicting the future is much easier in hindsight.

07-20-2011, 03:28 PM	#65
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by knoxploration That's logical. You've got a 1/2.3" image sensor, and a sensor shift stabilization system. The image circle hence has to be bigger than 1/2.3". The question is, can you use a sensor larger than 1/2.3" without either removing the sensor shift assembly altogether, or reducing the corrective abilities of the system. Yes, it was the same six megapixel Philips FTF3020C CCD sensor as the Contax. I remember Pentax working with Kodak on several prototypes 10 years ago including the early 645D the MZ-D etc. Its possible they worked with more than one given it was a prototype development project.

07-21-2011, 02:36 AM	#66
Klex New Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Deutschland - Schwarzwald Posts: 9

07-21-2011, 03:55 AM	#67
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by kent is it? I thought it had philips sensor (same in Contax ND) I am wrong. My memory served me wrong and I thought Kodak was involved. Yes, I meant the same thing which Contax commercialized Contax N Digital Review and which made them sink. It had a Phillips sensor indeed. The Pentax MZ-D MZ-D obviously rebranded K-1 by some funny Pentax employees.

07-21-2011, 04:27 AM	#68
froeschle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 552	Funny employees used the K-1 designation as an alternative for MR-52 or MZ-D already several years ago : K-1 The official reason to cancel this camera was the price of the sensor (and not the performance): Pentax cancel 6mp digital SLR: Digital Photography Review Quote: John Dickins, Marketing Manager, Pentax U.K. Limited said, "The cost of manufacturing the prototype SLR 6-megapixel digital camera meant it was not a viable product for our target market. However, we have gained a great deal of knowledge and experience in the development of this prototype which will ensure technological innovation in future Pentax digital products." Maybe they wanted to show the big FF (built-in grip) vs. the small Q. However for that purpose already the K-5, 645D (with Korejanai-Robo painting ), 645 and 67 were made available: http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6137/5943421002_520c9f447e_b.jpg http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6140/5942711062_02af43d91a_b.jpg So, why should Pentax present the K-1 again? After 645D and Q it is the last idea not realized yet...

07-21-2011, 05:37 AM	#69
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	It annoys me so much of this good information is in Japanese. Really doesn't help get these products exposed to the wider "global" market.

07-21-2011, 07:54 AM	#71
Aku Ankka Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 53	Originally posted by falconeye There is also mention that the Q mount is meant for a bigger image circle than 1/2.3". Is anybody able to read Japanese? If I recall right, the image circle is a bit larger due to the of the image stabilizer. One issue with the mount and putting a bigger sensor on it is the flange focal distance - was it 9mm? That would be really unsuitable for much larger sensor, so the lenses would need to include a short empty tube making them larger than they'd be otherewise.

07-21-2011, 08:20 AM	#72
Ubuntu_user Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,545	Originally posted by conradj me, i don't just want interchangeable lenses, i want interchangeable sensors. C'mon, global conglomerates, you just have to start off with a spec. Here, now it's time to do candid indoor night shots at the pub; i'll slot in my low rez hi-sensitivity sensor. Time for landscapes? No problem; there's my high-pixel count, no-AA filter fine arts sensor. Hey look! i just scored one of the last batch of Foveon sensors ever made! Isn't that the idea behind Ricoh's GXR?

07-21-2011, 09:59 AM	#73
pghwarrior23 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Photos: Albums Posts: 331	Drooling at the thought of a full frame Pentax that can match or beat the D700 or 5DMKII! Give me that and a couple of FA primes and I am in heaven!! Also of course there are several Sigma lenses all ready for use on full frame for Pentax as well including the new 70-200 f/2.8 and the 85mm f/1.4

07-21-2011, 10:15 AM	#74
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Aku Ankka If I recall right, the image circle is a bit larger due to the of the image stabilizer. One issue with the mount and putting a bigger sensor on it is the flange focal distance - was it 9mm? That would be really unsuitable for much larger sensor, so the lenses would need to include a short empty tube making them larger than they'd be otherewise. It can use a bigger sensor (not thicker sensor) based on reports from Pentax.

07-21-2011, 11:59 AM	#75
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Blue It can use a bigger sensor (not thicker sensor) based on reports from Pentax. Well a 2/3" (6,6 x 8,8mm) would be great, since it is twice the sice off the current sensor. With a 16 megapixel sensor the pixels would have 50 % larger surface and that should improve image quality (I guess).