Pentax version of the Sony a77 coming ?

Clavius · 09-01-2011, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Emacs

Your one does it. Just sharpen shot a little or apply red filter with conversion to monochrome.

Sorry, I have to disappoint you. Sharpening AND conversion to monochrome and red filter still doesn't produce any noise. I did find a tiny spot of dust though, it was easily blown away.

I would seriously consider sending your unit in, if I were you.

Kunzite · 09-01-2011, 11:24 AM

No, his copy also doesn't. He's just anti-Pentax... clearly seen by his post history.

Clavius · 09-01-2011, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

No, his copy also doesn't. He's just anti-Pentax... clearly seen by his post history.

Reading through his post-history, I have to conclude that you are right.

He's a forumtroll, isn't he?

uccemebug · 09-01-2011, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Emacs

How does this guy relate to Emacs?

I admire your ignorance, I hear it's bliss.

I second the vote to remove the Nazi-flag inspired avatar. Tasteless and pointless. Like many of your posts, I might add.

eddie1960 · 09-01-2011, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by uccemebug

I admire your ignorance, I hear it's bliss.

I second the vote to remove the Nazi-flag inspired avatar. Tasteless and pointless. Like many of your posts, I might add.

+1 the flag needs to go it's tacky and offensive to many at the same time, quite a feat

**Pål Jensen** · 09-01-2011, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Philippos

If Sony or Samsung decide to stop providing sensors in order to gain bigger share in the camera market, Pentax (and others) will have to look in other sensor makers like Aptina - that has never been the leader in sensor innovation (and prefer the mobile phone market as the ROI is much more tempting). A situation like this will probably render the brand uncompetitive.

...and why would they want to do that? Selling parts like sensors is a business; almost certainly far more profitable than selling cameras to consumers.
Not to mention that such behaviour would spoil the companys reputation as a reliable parts supplier and open the marked for others.

Zygonyx · 09-01-2011, 01:12 PM

As far as i know, the sensor business is extremely capital-demanding.
Therefore, the volumes are if any, THE key success factor for this business.
That is why we will/should see for a long time, Sony sensors on other DSLR brands.

Winder · 09-01-2011, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

As far as i know, the sensor business is extremely capital-demanding.
Therefore, the volumes are if any, THE key success factor for this business.
That is why we will/should see for a long time, Sony sensors on other DSLR brands.

This is why Samsung is under a lot of pressure to make sure their new sensor is a really strong competitor. They need more buyers to keep their own cost down so they can continue to grow their NX line. Samsung has been aggressively marketing the new sensor. There was a rumor floating around a couple of months ago that Olympus was looking at Samsung as a possible supplier for 4/3 sensors.

jogiba · 09-01-2011, 02:01 PM

Nex-5N @25600 iso on left and SLT-A77 @ 16000 iso on right:

larger 1920x1200 image click here

Nex-5N @25600 iso on left and Pentax K-5 on right:

1920x1200 image

elho_cid · 09-01-2011, 02:46 PM

That is not fair comparison. We already know that Sony has poor jpg output, no need to humilitate them by comparison with K-5.

rawr · 09-01-2011, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

IMHO, this forum is no place for such "artwork"

Simple solution:
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**ManuH** · 09-01-2011, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Emacs

Your one does it. Just sharpen shot a little or apply red filter with conversion to monochrome.

Actually you're right, enlarging to 300% view I can see a faint noise. But seriously I would love to know which camera does better? My K10D sure had noisy skies visible at 100%. But nothing that slight NR couldn't remove anyway. I can recall the D300 being also criticized for noisy blue skies. As I understand blue is always the noisiest channel, surely why high-ISO under tungsten is always noisier than in daylight.

P.S. I agree with others that your avatar is just tasteless.

jsherman999 · 09-01-2011, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by elho_cid

That is not fair comparison. We already know that Sony has poor jpg output, no need to humilitate them by comparison with K-5.

.... except that the NEX images look better there, Less noise, more detail.

.

zxaar · 09-01-2011, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Smeggypants

My computing power is pretty much the same and I agree regarding Lightroom. For this reason I weouldrather Pentax stick to 16mp at the most and concentreate on improve ISO and dynamic rabnge performance

speaking of computing power I am lucky enough to use world's fastest super-computer now a days. (off course not for image processing though, but if i wish i can always develop programs to do so :-D ).

Japanese supercomputer 'K' is world's fastest - Telegraph

rawr · 09-01-2011, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by zxaar

speaking of computing power I am lucky enough to use world's fastest super-computer now a days....Japanese supercomputer 'K' is world's fastest

Interesting - a 'K' mount supercomputer. Pentax must be able to use that.

Not only the name, but also the location - the Kobe Riken Advanced Institute for Computational Science. Ricoh itself of course grew out of the Riken research institute.

The plot thickens.

09-01-2011, 12:54 PM	#171
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Philippos If Sony or Samsung decide to stop providing sensors in order to gain bigger share in the camera market, Pentax (and others) will have to look in other sensor makers like Aptina - that has never been the leader in sensor innovation (and prefer the mobile phone market as the ROI is much more tempting). A situation like this will probably render the brand uncompetitive. ...and why would they want to do that? Selling parts like sensors is a business; almost certainly far more profitable than selling cameras to consumers. Not to mention that such behaviour would spoil the companys reputation as a reliable parts supplier and open the marked for others. Last edited by Pål Jensen; 09-01-2011 at 04:06 PM.

09-01-2011, 02:01 PM	#174
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	Nex-5N @25600 iso vs SLT-A77 @ 16000 iso Nex-5N @25600 iso on left and SLT-A77 @ 16000 iso on right: larger 1920x1200 image click here Nex-5N @25600 iso on left and Pentax K-5 on right: 1920x1200 image

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09-01-2011, 11:20 AM	#166
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Emacs Your one does it. Just sharpen shot a little or apply red filter with conversion to monochrome. Sorry, I have to disappoint you. Sharpening AND conversion to monochrome and red filter still doesn't produce any noise. I did find a tiny spot of dust though, it was easily blown away. I would seriously consider sending your unit in, if I were you.

09-01-2011, 11:24 AM	#167
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	No, his copy also doesn't. He's just anti-Pentax... clearly seen by his post history.

09-01-2011, 11:30 AM	#168
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Kunzite No, his copy also doesn't. He's just anti-Pentax... clearly seen by his post history. Reading through his post-history, I have to conclude that you are right. He's a forumtroll, isn't he?

09-01-2011, 12:44 PM	#169
uccemebug Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 962	Originally posted by Emacs How does this guy relate to Emacs? I admire your ignorance, I hear it's bliss. I second the vote to remove the Nazi-flag inspired avatar. Tasteless and pointless. Like many of your posts, I might add.

09-01-2011, 12:50 PM	#170
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by uccemebug I admire your ignorance, I hear it's bliss. I second the vote to remove the Nazi-flag inspired avatar. Tasteless and pointless. Like many of your posts, I might add. +1 the flag needs to go it's tacky and offensive to many at the same time, quite a feat

09-01-2011, 01:12 PM	#172
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	As far as i know, the sensor business is extremely capital-demanding. Therefore, the volumes are if any, THE key success factor for this business. That is why we will/should see for a long time, Sony sensors on other DSLR brands.

09-01-2011, 01:21 PM	#173
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Zygonyx As far as i know, the sensor business is extremely capital-demanding. Therefore, the volumes are if any, THE key success factor for this business. That is why we will/should see for a long time, Sony sensors on other DSLR brands. This is why Samsung is under a lot of pressure to make sure their new sensor is a really strong competitor. They need more buyers to keep their own cost down so they can continue to grow their NX line. Samsung has been aggressively marketing the new sensor. There was a rumor floating around a couple of months ago that Olympus was looking at Samsung as a possible supplier for 4/3 sensors.

09-01-2011, 02:46 PM	#175
elho_cid Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Prague Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	That is not fair comparison. We already know that Sony has poor jpg output, no need to humilitate them by comparison with K-5.

09-01-2011, 03:01 PM	#176
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by falconeye IMHO, this forum is no place for such "artwork" Simple solution: My Account > Edit Options > Thread Display options > Visible Post Elements > Show Avatars > [Untick] > Save. I do this for all the vBulletin forums I subscribe to. Can also speed up viewing considerably, especially if animated avatars are allowed on the forum.

09-01-2011, 04:33 PM	#177
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by Emacs Your one does it. Just sharpen shot a little or apply red filter with conversion to monochrome. Actually you're right, enlarging to 300% view I can see a faint noise. But seriously I would love to know which camera does better? My K10D sure had noisy skies visible at 100%. But nothing that slight NR couldn't remove anyway. I can recall the D300 being also criticized for noisy blue skies. As I understand blue is always the noisiest channel, surely why high-ISO under tungsten is always noisier than in daylight. P.S. I agree with others that your avatar is just tasteless.

09-01-2011, 09:00 PM	#178
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by elho_cid That is not fair comparison. We already know that Sony has poor jpg output, no need to humilitate them by comparison with K-5. .... except that the NEX images look better there, Less noise, more detail. .

09-01-2011, 09:25 PM	#179
zxaar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: kobe/japan Posts: 510	Originally posted by Smeggypants My computing power is pretty much the same and I agree regarding Lightroom. For this reason I weouldrather Pentax stick to 16mp at the most and concentreate on improve ISO and dynamic rabnge performance speaking of computing power I am lucky enough to use world's fastest super-computer now a days. (off course not for image processing though, but if i wish i can always develop programs to do so :-D ). Japanese supercomputer 'K' is world's fastest - Telegraph

09-01-2011, 10:57 PM	#180
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by zxaar speaking of computing power I am lucky enough to use world's fastest super-computer now a days....Japanese supercomputer 'K' is world's fastest Interesting - a 'K' mount supercomputer. Pentax must be able to use that. Not only the name, but also the location - the Kobe Riken Advanced Institute for Computational Science. Ricoh itself of course grew out of the Riken research institute. The plot thickens.