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09-28-2011, 05:40 PM   #436
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QuoteOriginally posted by Blue Quote
With the Kodak sensor division in play on the market, Ricoh could change the game if they could get their hands on it.
The Kodak sensor division is generations behind Sony, Samsung, and Panasonic. It would take a half-decade of work to get it up to snuff. It has some CCD licensing options that are key revenue drivers, but not CMOS. So for some medical, astro, etc. there is a lot of potential, but for mainstream photography Kodak is shallow. Somebody like Fuji or ironically even Hoya may be a better match.

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QuoteOriginally posted by TOUGEFC Quote
If PENTAX made the worlds smallest full-featured full-frame SLR around the same size as the K-5, Im sure that alot of the ff canikon users would be tempted to switch.
Im always hearing and reading that ff shooters complaing about lugging around bulky and heavy kits.
I think making a FF DSLR the size of a K-5 would be pushing things a bit at the moment. The only way to do that would probably involve using an EVF which many of us would not prefer. However a FF DSLR about the size of the K20D with an OVF should be quite feasible. This would be a very good size camera and would still be the smallest FF DSLR. Pentax if you can do that and put a 3.2" 3:2 ratio OLED screen on the back and use Sony's upcoming 36MP FF sensor and a non crippled mount, I'll be queuing to buy one. I'm sure I wouldn't be alone!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
The Kodak sensor division is generations behind Sony, Samsung, and Panasonic. It would take a half-decade of work to get it up to snuff. It has some CCD licensing options that are key revenue drivers, but not CMOS. So for some medical, astro, etc. there is a lot of potential, but for mainstream photography Kodak is shallow. Somebody like Fuji or ironically even Hoya may be a better match.
No where in the post did I say they were up to date, especially in cmos. However, the 645D sensor is from Kodak and so is the ff sensor for the M9. That alone is a good starting point. The other option would be to start from scratch. However, as we can see from watching Nikon, it isn't that easy to start from scratch.
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With the Kodak sensor division in play on the market, Ricoh could change the game if they could get their hands on it.
Well Ricoh would only buy if they where interested to be a company with every technic in-house developed (like Canon does). I have no idea that this is the case. The second question is wheater you want to start of with CCD or CMOS technologie.

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Well Ricoh would only buy if they where interested to be a company with every technic in-house developed (like Canon does). I have no idea that this is the case. The second question is wheater you want to start of with CCD or CMOS technologie.
#1. You looked over the point I made about it being a starting point.
#2. the sensor in the 645D production would be taken over along with the full frame sensor in the M9.
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The reliability of SDM on the other hand....
I think that's okay, if SDM was really so unreliable i wonder why we don't hear of many failures with the DA*55, DA*200, DA*300, DA*60-250 and DA17-70 it were/are only the DA*16-50 and DA*50-135 with problems.
Therefore i think it's mostly down do the lens design rather than the engine itself.
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I really just want Pentax to take the Sony A900 and put a new Sony sensor in it. The more I use the A900 the more I love that camera. If I knew Sony was going to keep the OVF in the A900 replacement I would invest in Sony. CZ24-70, CZ85, and CZ135 and I would be pretty much set. I'm just not ready to move to SLT or EVF. I think a technology similar is the future, but I'm in no hurry.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
CZ85, and CZ135
these don't worth their price
they are both too contrast for portraits
the canon + (85 f1.2 and 135 f2.0) is much better portrait set
IMHO
77 f1.8 or A*/FA*/(DFA*?) 85 f1.4 + A*/(DFA*?) 135 f1.8(f2.0?) would be even better.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Emacs Quote
these don't worth their price
they are both too contrast for portraits
the canon + (85 f1.2 and 135 f2.0) is much better portrait set
IMHO
77 f1.8 or A*/FA*/(DFA*?) 85 f1.4 + A*/(DFA*?) 135 f1.8(f2.0?) would be even better.
I have a 5D (original) the 85L & 135L. I have been shooting with an A900 on and off now for almost a year. The CZ is indeed a high contrast lens compared to the 85L, but I can handle all of that in post. The CZ85 is a really good lens. The Sigma 85mm is probably the best value for the money, but I still like the CZ85 a lot. The CZ135 f/1.8 is one of the best lenses I have used and easily better than my 135L. If you really want a portrait lens then the Sony 135mm STF (even has its own website) The 135 STF.

The 77mm is a great lens, but the other two you list are out of production. Pentax needs to clean up their lens lineup. From 14mm to 77mm Pentax has almost 15 different lenses and only 3 past that (primes). DA* 135mm f/1.8 would be very high on my buy list. Higher than a K-5 or its replacement.
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I recently got a MZ-5n, I was amazed by the way the camera works (the speed dial like on a manual camera). A friend of mine, who shoots only digital (K-7), even said that it would be nice if Pentax would make a digital version of it (or similar). I wouldn't mind a Full Frame in that size and the competition will have to do a lot of work to follow that.
I don't know why a FF should even be a pro camera (MZ-5n isn't), so it's so unfortunate that the FF sensors are expensive to implement in cameras. That's the last thing that Pentax have to do for the ideal compatibility of the K mount. I only have film cameras and I'm not ecstatic with the crop factor when I know what my lenses can give on a full 35mm frame.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
The CZ is indeed a high contrast lens compared to the 85L, but I can handle all of that in post. The CZ85 is a really good lens. The Sigma 85mm is probably the best value for the money, but I still like the CZ85 a lot.
That's not that easy. For example, the FA* 85 and 77Ltd both have reduced contrast on skintones but the contrast on other parts is OK and this makes them perfect portrait performers.. It will take much time to achieve the same with both CZ and Sigma during PP. Good portrait lens should hide skin imperfections but those two lenses doesn't make it.

The same about 135. Excellent universal lens. Just good portrait performer. Too heavy, too

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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
The Kodak sensor division is generations behind Sony, Samsung, and Panasonic.
645D's CCD sensor with 40 MP is not worse than 24 MP FF CMOS at ISO1600.
It seems to me even better in terms of colours and resolution. And rather low noise.
50 MP CCD Kodak sensor is rather good too.
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645D's CCD sensor with 40 MP is not worse than 24 MP FF CMOS at ISO1600.
It seems to me even better in terms of colours and resolution. And rather low noise.
50 MP CCD Kodak sensor is rather good too.
Exactly. The ISO 1600 performance of 645D is better than one of K-5, for example
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IQ is not the reason camera companies have moved away from CCD. CCD use a lot more power and generate a lot more heat. Functions like Liveview and HD video only make them hotter which generates a lot of noise at higher ISO. For the still image purest who does not want HD video or liveview CCD is the way to go. Getting a high frame rate is also more expensive with CCD sensors. CCD does not have mass market appeal, but is a great fit for Leica and MF users where still image quality is all that is important.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
50 MP CCD Kodak sensor is rather good too.
...get one while you can!
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