EXCLUSIVE: Ricoh to Beef Up Digital Camera Biz

gazonk · 09-24-2011, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

congrats on that and let her buy V1 since that looks like a real smart system (wich Nex isn't).

Really? Just as bulky as other systems, but with inferior sensors. I don't see the point.

lurchlarson · 09-24-2011, 07:59 PM

Sony's starting to look interesting. I mean the a77. Unless Pentax can build something to compete that might be where I end up.

thibs · 09-25-2011, 12:20 PM

Sony? Mmm each one has different taste

RioRico · 09-25-2011, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Sony? Mmm each one has different taste

I try not to taste my Sony gear. It all makes my tongue feel strange. Especially the battery chargers.

jogiba · 09-25-2011, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by lurchlarson

Sony's starting to look interesting. I mean the a77. Unless Pentax can build something to compete that might be where I end up.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/160068...lem-korea.html

thibs · 09-25-2011, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by RioRico

I try not to taste my Sony gear. It all makes my tongue feel strange. Especially the battery chargers.

Hehehe

tsammyc · 09-25-2011, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by rawr

As someone with a NEX-5, I can say that there isn't that much physical difference between a NEX-5 and a K-x, especially once you mount a lens on the NEX. The NEX system cameras are not what I would call lightweight and small by any means.

With all but the 16mm Sony pancake mounted, NEX's are pretty substantial devices, and the NEX-7 is larger even than the NEX-5.

Any portability concerns with something like the K-5 may be alleviated by use of a funky and compact camera bag, I suggest. Indeed, once you are using a camera bag, lightweight and small becomes a relative issue. The same size bag for a NEX-7 and a few lenses would probably fit a K-5 with a few lenses too.

Err.. Here is my K5 and previous NEX C3

I can carry the NEX and two pentax primes DA40 & FA77 in a small waist pouch

rawr · 09-26-2011, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by tsammyc

Err.. Here is my K5 and previous NEX C3

LOL perspective distortion.

Anyway, for what it is worth, here's a size comparison of my K-x and my NEX-5 viewed from directly above, both with standard 18-55 kit lens mounted.

The NEX-5 is undoubtedly smaller, but not in another league of small, especially with lens. And when you add a lens adapter + lens + protruding external Sony flash to the NEX-5... you get the picture.

RonHendriks1966 · 09-26-2011, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

Really? Just as bulky as other systems, but with inferior sensors. I don't see the point.

I expect the V1 sensor to be better then K-x/K-r, but we will see when DxO makes the test.

gazonk · 09-26-2011, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I expect the V1 sensor to be better then K-x/K-r, but we will see when DxO makes the test.

Maybe, but even then you lose the ability to isolate background with shallow DoF, at least with the current lenses.

abacus07 · 09-26-2011, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by rawr

LOL perspective distortion.

Anyway, for what it is worth, here's a size comparison of my K-x and my NEX-5 viewed from directly above, both with standard 18-55 kit lens mounted.

The NEX-5 is undoubtedly smaller, but not in another league of small, especially with lens. And when you add a lens adapter + lens + protruding external Sony flash to the NEX-5... you get the picture.

That's why I like the samsung with the 30mm pancake. It's my 80% of the time focal length and they are releasing a 20mm pancake also. This is a difficult system to beat as far as size and usability go. Imo you don't buy one of these systems to use the kit zoom (although many do) or the large lenses that Sony is releasing or mount Pentax lenses on it w/ adapter. You buy one of the current models to have a near compact camera and mounting Pentax is a novelty filling out an incomplete lens lineup. Currently there are very few portrait offerings but I have plenty of great, fast 50's to use instead.

But I'm waiting to see what Pentax is releasing. I'm just hoping it's not a 2-3x crop since that doesn't interest me.

Class A · 09-27-2011, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/160068...lem-korea.html

The news does not seem credible enough to even reference that thread.

glanglois · 09-27-2011, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by gazonk

I'm beginning to think that this may actually work. With the Da40 it would look really compact. Now add a zoom lens that collapses INTO the body and a few primes that extends into the body (and are as small as the DA40 outside the mount), and it may turn out just as compact as the Nikon 1 system.

I'm struggling to picture this: a small body that's large enough that zooms and primes collapse into it. Is this something like the TARDIS? Does Ricoh have the manufacturing chops to mass-produce tesseracts?

I suspect I missed the point here someplace, gazonk. Would you please try it again or PM me?

jsherman999 · 09-27-2011, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by glanglois

I'm struggling to picture this: a small body that's large enough that zooms and primes collapse into it. Is this something like the TARDIS? Does Ricoh have the manufacturing chops to mass-produce tesseracts?

I suspect I missed the point here someplace, gazonk. Would you please try it again or PM me?

Well it's not unheard of. Any superzoom P&S like the Panasonic TZ3 has a pretty radical collapsing zoom lens. In that Panny's case it's a 10x, 28-300mm equiv.

I think these folks are talking about a slightly larger, better quality collapsing zoom with only maybe 2x or 3x.

Clavius · 09-28-2011, 03:16 AM

Congratulations, you just invented the P&S camera all over again.

09-26-2011, 12:42 AM	#218
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by tsammyc Err.. Here is my K5 and previous NEX C3 LOL perspective distortion. Anyway, for what it is worth, here's a size comparison of my K-x and my NEX-5 viewed from directly above, both with standard 18-55 kit lens mounted. The NEX-5 is undoubtedly smaller, but not in another league of small, especially with lens. And when you add a lens adapter + lens + protruding external Sony flash to the NEX-5... you get the picture. Last edited by rawr; 09-26-2011 at 12:48 AM.

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09-24-2011, 01:39 PM	#211
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 congrats on that and let her buy V1 since that looks like a real smart system (wich Nex isn't). Really? Just as bulky as other systems, but with inferior sensors. I don't see the point.

09-24-2011, 07:59 PM	#212
lurchlarson Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oregon, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 681	Sony's starting to look interesting. I mean the a77. Unless Pentax can build something to compete that might be where I end up.

09-25-2011, 12:20 PM	#213
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Sony? Mmm each one has different taste

09-25-2011, 02:49 PM	#214
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263 Original Poster	Originally posted by thibs Sony? Mmm each one has different taste I try not to taste my Sony gear. It all makes my tongue feel strange. Especially the battery chargers.

09-25-2011, 02:56 PM	#215
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by lurchlarson Sony's starting to look interesting. I mean the a77. Unless Pentax can build something to compete that might be where I end up. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/160068...lem-korea.html

09-25-2011, 10:19 PM	#216
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by RioRico I try not to taste my Sony gear. It all makes my tongue feel strange. Especially the battery chargers. Hehehe

09-25-2011, 10:57 PM	#217
tsammyc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 101	Originally posted by rawr As someone with a NEX-5, I can say that there isn't that much physical difference between a NEX-5 and a K-x, especially once you mount a lens on the NEX. The NEX system cameras are not what I would call lightweight and small by any means. With all but the 16mm Sony pancake mounted, NEX's are pretty substantial devices, and the NEX-7 is larger even than the NEX-5. Any portability concerns with something like the K-5 may be alleviated by use of a funky and compact camera bag, I suggest. Indeed, once you are using a camera bag, lightweight and small becomes a relative issue. The same size bag for a NEX-7 and a few lenses would probably fit a K-5 with a few lenses too. Err.. Here is my K5 and previous NEX C3 I can carry the NEX and two pentax primes DA40 & FA77 in a small waist pouch

09-26-2011, 01:30 AM	#219
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by gazonk Really? Just as bulky as other systems, but with inferior sensors. I don't see the point. I expect the V1 sensor to be better then K-x/K-r, but we will see when DxO makes the test.

09-26-2011, 01:44 AM	#220
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I expect the V1 sensor to be better then K-x/K-r, but we will see when DxO makes the test. Maybe, but even then you lose the ability to isolate background with shallow DoF, at least with the current lenses.

09-26-2011, 07:42 AM	#221
abacus07 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Taiwan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,075	Originally posted by rawr LOL perspective distortion. Anyway, for what it is worth, here's a size comparison of my K-x and my NEX-5 viewed from directly above, both with standard 18-55 kit lens mounted. The NEX-5 is undoubtedly smaller, but not in another league of small, especially with lens. And when you add a lens adapter + lens + protruding external Sony flash to the NEX-5... you get the picture. That's why I like the samsung with the 30mm pancake. It's my 80% of the time focal length and they are releasing a 20mm pancake also. This is a difficult system to beat as far as size and usability go. Imo you don't buy one of these systems to use the kit zoom (although many do) or the large lenses that Sony is releasing or mount Pentax lenses on it w/ adapter. You buy one of the current models to have a near compact camera and mounting Pentax is a novelty filling out an incomplete lens lineup. Currently there are very few portrait offerings but I have plenty of great, fast 50's to use instead. But I'm waiting to see what Pentax is releasing. I'm just hoping it's not a 2-3x crop since that doesn't interest me.

09-27-2011, 06:14 PM	#222
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by jogiba https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/160068...lem-korea.html The news does not seem credible enough to even reference that thread.

09-27-2011, 07:03 PM	#223
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Originally posted by gazonk I'm beginning to think that this may actually work. With the Da40 it would look really compact. Now add a zoom lens that collapses INTO the body and a few primes that extends into the body (and are as small as the DA40 outside the mount), and it may turn out just as compact as the Nikon 1 system. I'm struggling to picture this: a small body that's large enough that zooms and primes collapse into it. Is this something like the TARDIS? Does Ricoh have the manufacturing chops to mass-produce tesseracts? I suspect I missed the point here someplace, gazonk. Would you please try it again or PM me?

09-27-2011, 08:00 PM	#224
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by glanglois I'm struggling to picture this: a small body that's large enough that zooms and primes collapse into it. Is this something like the TARDIS? Does Ricoh have the manufacturing chops to mass-produce tesseracts? I suspect I missed the point here someplace, gazonk. Would you please try it again or PM me? Well it's not unheard of. Any superzoom P&S like the Panasonic TZ3 has a pretty radical collapsing zoom lens. In that Panny's case it's a 10x, 28-300mm equiv. I think these folks are talking about a slightly larger, better quality collapsing zoom with only maybe 2x or 3x.

09-28-2011, 03:16 AM	#225
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Congratulations, you just invented the P&S camera all over again.