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10-03-2011, 03:49 AM - 1 Like   #241
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
I expect the V1 sensor to be better then K-x/K-r, but we will see when DxO makes the test.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
I expect the V1 sensor to be better then K-x/K-r, but we will see when DxO makes the test.
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I expect the Pentax Q at least equal to Nikon 1 re. dynamics.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
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You are absolutly right on this, and the V1 isn't a real top performer. It is a perfect camera/sensor compared to other camera's:

It's in the same league as Olympus and Panasonic:
DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side

and it outperforms the small sensor high-end compacts from Canon/Nikon/Samsung:
DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side

So let's see where Q is going to fit in.

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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
You are absolutly right on this, and the V1 isn't a real top performer. It is a perfect camera/sensor compared to other camera's:

It's in the same league as Olympus and Panasonic:
DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side

and it outperforms the small sensor high-end compacts from Canon/Nikon/Samsung:
DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side
Yes. Nikon 1 system is higher than P&S high-end cameras (1/1.65", 1/1.7", 2/3" sensors), but a bit lower than m4/3 in terms of noise. In-between system.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Yes. Nikon 1 system is higher than P&S high-end cameras (1/1.65", 1/1.7", 2/3" sensors), but a bit lower than m4/3 in terms of noise. In-between system.
Funny how it all seems to boil down to sensor size
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Yes. Nikon 1 system is higher than P&S high-end cameras (1/1.65", 1/1.7", 2/3" sensors), but a bit lower than m4/3 in terms of noise. In-between system.
And Samsung and NEX rate higher (overall) than the rest of the mirrorless (unless I'm missing someone like Fuji). The NEX rates very good except for its somewhat illogical lens lineup. Tiny camera and large primes. Samsung is my favorite currently with an APSC sensor and both wide and normal pancakes.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
You are absolutly right on this, and the V1 isn't a real top performer. It is a perfect camera/sensor compared to other camera's:

It's in the same league as Olympus and Panasonic:
DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side

and it outperforms the small sensor high-end compacts from Canon/Nikon/Samsung:
DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side

So let's see where Q is going to fit in.
Excuse me, but you did say that you expected the V1 sensor to do better on DXO than the K-x/K-r!!!

You changed your tune pretty quickly.... :ugh:

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I'd be ok with an SLT a la the upcoming Sony a77. I just don't want them to change the mount. Think, a Pentax that shoots 12fps at a full resolution 24mp per second. That is some serious data throughput. I just hope that the high ISO is clean and the AF is fast.
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Excuse me, but you did say that you expected the V1 sensor to do better on DXO than the K-x/K-r!!!

You changed your tune pretty quickly.... :ugh:
I did expect it, but that was to optimistic. It is still amazing that the V1 is on par with Olympus, since Olympus has sensils that are 57 % larger then on the sensor of V1.

My guess is that in two years time we wil see such a sensor to beat "old" K-x.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
I did expect it, but that was to optimistic. It is still amazing that the V1 is on par with Olympus, since Olympus has sensils that are 57 % larger then on the sensor of V1.

My guess is that in two years time we wil see such a sensor to beat "old" K-x.
The reason that the V1 is on par with Olympus is because, like the Q sensor and the NEX-5N sensor, it is at the cutting edge of current sensor abilities. Olympus have been so busy increasing AF speed and overall responsiveness that they are significantly behind in sensor abilities.

I have no doubt that a V1-sized sensor will someday match the K-x's technical abilities, but it'll never get close to my needs due to a lack of DOF control.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
I wouldn't want to do that. I was mainly thinking of two cases: a collapsible compact kit zoom, and non-retro focus wa lenses that could extend behind the mount.
So the large and complex lens inside mount body size compromise would be for the purposes of a kit lens and a couple of slow wide angles?

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The reason that the V1 is on par with Olympus is because, like the Q sensor and the NEX-5N sensor, it is at the cutting edge of current sensor abilities. Olympus have been so busy increasing AF speed and overall responsiveness that they are significantly behind in sensor abilities.

I have no doubt that a V1-sized sensor will someday match the K-x's technical abilities, but it'll never get close to my needs due to a lack of DOF control.
I doubt Olympus is deliberately going with an ancient sensor just because they're busy with other things. It's that they can't (Panasonic won't sell them one) or won't (buy a Sony and crop).
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
I did expect it, but that was to optimistic. It is still amazing that the V1 is on par with Olympus, since Olympus has sensils that are 57 % larger then on the sensor of V1.
To say honest - V1 is 1 stop worse in terms of noise. And just A BIT better than m4/3 in DR and colour depth:
0.4 EV in DR and 0.3 bits in colour are almost neglected (if we compare with G3).

Crop 2.7 is rather strange move for me - no any gain in compactness and worse DOF control even than crop 2.
The level of noise is just ~ 1 stop better than P&S. I don't undestand Nikon.
Even Pentax Q has more sense - it's just new line of Pentax high end P&S compacts instead of A serie. IMO. 1/2.3" BSI sensor is not worse than 1/1.65"CCD. It seems to me - even a bit better in noise.

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I agree with Ogl. It makes no sense but protecting Nikon dslr business.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
1/2.3" BSI sensor is not worse than 1/1.65"CCD. It seems to me - even a bit better in noise.
Agree, from what I saw, Q has a better high iso performance than s95
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