Who will make the next 645D Sensor?

Winder · 09-28-2011, 11:00 AM

Kodak: Death of an American icon? -- The Buzz - Sep. 28, 2011

Kodak is taking its last few breaths. When will CMOS technology move to MF cameras?

RonHendriks1966 · 09-28-2011, 11:36 AM

I read about it rescently. Well that is going down the drain.

I think when Ricoh asks Samsung to make a full size CMOS 645 sensor they will deliver it in 6 months. Price and numbers of production to take off is a different matter.

thibs · 09-28-2011, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Winder

Kodak: Death of an American icon? -- The Buzz - Sep. 28, 2011

Kodak is taking its last few breaths. When will CMOS technology move to MF cameras?

That's the buzz, yes but at the same time, coming from a website publishing such articles: How to survive a zombie apocalypse - (1) - CNNMoney

I say ROTFL. Morons...

**boriscleto** · 09-28-2011, 12:47 PM

Someone will buy the sensor division. It is one of the few things making money for Kodak. Will they find a buyer for the film division? Who knows. If you're a film photographer get ready for your hobby to get really expensive. If they lose the Apple/RIM case the value of the patent portfolio will go way down.

Blue · 09-28-2011, 01:39 PM

I would like to see Ricoh buy the sensor section.

Zygonyx · 09-28-2011, 01:49 PM

Me too.

**maxfield_photo** · 09-28-2011, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by thibs

That's the buzz, yes but at the same time, coming from a website publishing such articles: How to survive a zombie apocalypse - (1) - CNNMoney

I say ROTFL. Morons...

I think it's technically referred to as the "Zombacalypse"

Winder · 09-28-2011, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Blue

I would like to see Ricoh buy the sensor section.

Not sure if that is a good move or not. If Kodak had a strong CMOS sensor division then I could see the advantage, but if Kodak had a strong sensor division they might not be in financial trouble.

Kodak owns the rights and patents to a lot of different technologies in the photographic world. They have value, and the name has value. But they have drifted into irrelevance. Ricoh could make a big splash and it would be good to see that happen.

Winder · 09-28-2011, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I read about it rescently. Well that is going down the drain.

I think when Ricoh asks Samsung to make a full size CMOS 645 sensor they will deliver it in 6 months. Price and numbers of production to take off is a different matter.

I still don't know the reasons for not having a CMOS MF sensor. We know they are cheaper, faster, & use less power (generate less heat). I know Samsung and Canon have made medium and large format CMOS sensors. The 8" x 8" CMOS sensor that Canon made is proof of the ability.

Who has insight into why we have not seen a MF CMOS sensor for a general commercial use?

Kryscendo · 09-28-2011, 04:47 PM

I'm more worried that Ektar 100 and other films will stop being produced without Kodak. That being said, sensors, their patents and a whole mess of other stuff will be quite valuable, even if Kodak goes under. Even if Kodak goes under, I'm sure Pentax has a healthy stock of the sensors for 645 already in storage.

Also, you're quoting CNN money. Not exactly the pinnacle of reporting.

Winder · 09-28-2011, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Kryscendo

I'm more worried that Ektar 100 and other films will stop being produced without Kodak. That being said, sensors, their patents and a whole mess of other stuff will be quite valuable, even if Kodak goes under. Even if Kodak goes under, I'm sure Pentax has a healthy stock of the sensors for 645 already in storage.

Also, you're quoting CNN money. Not exactly the pinnacle of reporting.

No, CNN is not a very good source, but the stock price does not lie. There have been several articles about Kodak over the past year. The CNN one is just the most recent.

Quicksand · 09-28-2011, 09:49 PM

Okay guys, fine. FINE. I'll do it.

Sheesh.

froeschle · 09-29-2011, 01:26 AM

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/1606036-post206.html

There at least is some relationship / partnership / alliance / deal between Ricoh and Kodak since several years. So, Ricoh might not only be interested in the sensor department

:

About Ricoh Americas Corporation
News Release
Kodak Renews, Expands Successful Relationship with Ricoh for Selling KODAK Digital Solutions - Kodak Graphic Communications Group
Kodak and Ricoh Partnership - WhatTheyThink
Kodak forges European alliance with Ricoh | printweek.com | Latest Print Industry News, Jobs, Features, Product Reviews, Used Printing and Packaging Machinery
Ricoh, Kodak Agree to Reseller Deal -- Recharger
etc.

Zygonyx · 09-29-2011, 02:22 AM

Interesting historical stories...

aurele · 09-29-2011, 03:42 AM

Kodak has such a big intellectual property, that i'm not worried about the reduction of their income related to their core industry.

09-28-2011, 11:00 AM	#1
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09-28-2011, 11:36 AM	#2
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	I read about it rescently. Well that is going down the drain. I think when Ricoh asks Samsung to make a full size CMOS 645 sensor they will deliver it in 6 months. Price and numbers of production to take off is a different matter.

09-28-2011, 12:47 PM	#3
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Winder Kodak: Death of an American icon? -- The Buzz - Sep. 28, 2011 Kodak is taking its last few breaths. When will CMOS technology move to MF cameras? That's the buzz, yes but at the same time, coming from a website publishing such articles: How to survive a zombie apocalypse - (1) - CNNMoney I say ROTFL. Morons...

09-28-2011, 12:47 PM	#4
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Someone will buy the sensor division. It is one of the few things making money for Kodak. Will they find a buyer for the film division? Who knows. If you're a film photographer get ready for your hobby to get really expensive. If they lose the Apple/RIM case the value of the patent portfolio will go way down.

09-28-2011, 01:39 PM	#5
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	I would like to see Ricoh buy the sensor section.

09-28-2011, 01:49 PM	#6
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Me too.

09-28-2011, 02:14 PM	#7
maxfield_photo Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,216	Originally posted by thibs That's the buzz, yes but at the same time, coming from a website publishing such articles: How to survive a zombie apocalypse - (1) - CNNMoney I say ROTFL. Morons... I think it's technically referred to as the "Zombacalypse"

09-28-2011, 03:39 PM	#8
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by Blue I would like to see Ricoh buy the sensor section. Not sure if that is a good move or not. If Kodak had a strong CMOS sensor division then I could see the advantage, but if Kodak had a strong sensor division they might not be in financial trouble. Kodak owns the rights and patents to a lot of different technologies in the photographic world. They have value, and the name has value. But they have drifted into irrelevance. Ricoh could make a big splash and it would be good to see that happen.

09-28-2011, 03:52 PM	#9
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I read about it rescently. Well that is going down the drain. I think when Ricoh asks Samsung to make a full size CMOS 645 sensor they will deliver it in 6 months. Price and numbers of production to take off is a different matter. I still don't know the reasons for not having a CMOS MF sensor. We know they are cheaper, faster, & use less power (generate less heat). I know Samsung and Canon have made medium and large format CMOS sensors. The 8" x 8" CMOS sensor that Canon made is proof of the ability. Who has insight into why we have not seen a MF CMOS sensor for a general commercial use?

09-28-2011, 04:47 PM	#10
Kryscendo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 222	I'm more worried that Ektar 100 and other films will stop being produced without Kodak. That being said, sensors, their patents and a whole mess of other stuff will be quite valuable, even if Kodak goes under. Even if Kodak goes under, I'm sure Pentax has a healthy stock of the sensors for 645 already in storage. Also, you're quoting CNN money. Not exactly the pinnacle of reporting.

09-28-2011, 05:27 PM	#11
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kryscendo I'm more worried that Ektar 100 and other films will stop being produced without Kodak. That being said, sensors, their patents and a whole mess of other stuff will be quite valuable, even if Kodak goes under. Even if Kodak goes under, I'm sure Pentax has a healthy stock of the sensors for 645 already in storage. Also, you're quoting CNN money. Not exactly the pinnacle of reporting. No, CNN is not a very good source, but the stock price does not lie. There have been several articles about Kodak over the past year. The CNN one is just the most recent.

09-28-2011, 09:49 PM	#12
Quicksand Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Ohio (formerly SF Bay Area) Posts: 1,519	Okay guys, fine. FINE. I'll do it. Sheesh.

09-29-2011, 01:26 AM	#13
froeschle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 552	https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/1606036-post206.html There at least is some relationship / partnership / alliance / deal between Ricoh and Kodak since several years. So, Ricoh might not only be interested in the sensor department : About Ricoh Americas Corporation News Release Kodak Renews, Expands Successful Relationship with Ricoh for Selling KODAK Digital Solutions - Kodak Graphic Communications Group Kodak and Ricoh Partnership - WhatTheyThink Kodak forges European alliance with Ricoh \| printweek.com \| Latest Print Industry News, Jobs, Features, Product Reviews, Used Printing and Packaging Machinery Ricoh, Kodak Agree to Reseller Deal -- Recharger etc.

09-29-2011, 02:22 AM	#14
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Interesting historical stories...

09-29-2011, 03:42 AM	#15
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Kodak has such a big intellectual property, that i'm not worried about the reduction of their income related to their core industry.