Originally posted by RMabo 1. Having a unique image pipeline for a new bottom level camera is too expensive - it is more expensive to make a special version of the PRIME to work with 6Mp, than to use the image pipeline from the K10D.
Like I said you could have used it on a 6mp version of the K10D (start 2007), 6mp version of the K100D (early or mid 2007) and an entry level 6mp version of the K100D replacement (start 2008). Compare to the sales those 3 models would be able to generate I don't think it would've been very expensive. I would agree though that doing it now and only use it on a 6mp version of the K100D replacement possibly would be too expensive.
Originally posted by RMabo The price difference between an 10Mp and 6Mp of the same camera would be too small. Why would anyone buy the 6Mp version when the competition has 10Mp?
You could say exactly the same thing about the K100D(S) why buy it when the competition has 10mp? Reason to buy a 6mp K10D could be:
- 50-100$ cheaper
- One stop better high ISO (debatable)
- faster 4-5fps (if possible and Pentax would choose to on a 6mp PRIME)
- Smaller file sizes
I'd agree with you that the majority of the market would choose the 10mp version, but because you spread the improved 6mp pipeline over time and over different models, my (pretty shaky) estimate would be that it would pay off.
Originally posted by RMabo 2. Pentax sees the K100D as "advanced entry level" or "standard level" (EOS 400D, E-510, D40X) and K110D as "entry level" (D40). There won't be new "entry level" from Pentax, they will start with "standard level". This is below semi-pro. The K10D replacement is semi-pro/pro, not the K100D replacement.
It doesn't matter how Pentax sees it, what matters is how the market sees it. The market sees the capabilities and price of the K100D(S) as entry level. If the K100D replacement competes slightly above that level I agree they would still be able to attract entry level buyers. In my view if they had done a faster 6mp pipeline their model range could have looked like:
2007:
Entry level:
K100D, 6mp sensor, MSRP $699 (price breaker, to increase market share and attract buyers to your brand)
Early 2007 replaced by:
K100DS, 6mp sensor, prime, MSRP $599, same MSRP as current K100DS, but better sales due to better value (prime)
Standard level:
K90DS, 10mp sensor, prime, MSRP $699 (Competition for D40x, 400xti, A100, E510)
Semi-pro/pro level:
K11D, 6mp sensor, prime MSRP $799 (market champion, for customers and reviewers who want best ISO and features for extreme value)
K10D, 10mp sensor, prime MSRP $899
2008:
Entry level:
K100D replacement, 6mp sensor, prime, MSRP $549-599 (price breaker, to increase market share and attract buyers to your brand)
Or keep running the K100DS a little longer at MSRP $499-549
Standard level:
K100D replacement +, 10 or 14mp sensor, prime, MSRP $649-749 (depending on sensor used)
Semi-pro/pro level:
K10D replacement, 14mp sensor, prime MSRP $999-1299???
Originally posted by RMabo The K100D replacement is very competetive and it has some tricks that I really really doubt that the competition will match, simple because of different philosophy regarding what newcomers to the DSLR world needs and wants. Pentax has made a camera to grow with, and one that can be a nice 2nd body for K10D owners. So it will have some features not traditionally associated with beginner/consumer camera.
I'm sure it will be and can't wait to see what they come up with. I also don't want to sound negative or overly critical, I just hate to see that people wanting good features and an affordable price are (again) forced to buy a 10mp camera that doesn't perform as good high ISO wise. I wonder what kinda ISO performance they would be able to produce if the technology from the 14mp sensor would be applied to a 6mp one (not saying that would be a good route to pursue, just wondering). Any way, let's see what they come up with in January!
Originally posted by thibs More Mpix at a given noise level IS pretty much relevent. No, sacrificing noise all the way just for a couple of Mpix is no good idea but a balance is needed. And some DO need those little pixels.
I agree, that's why I'm in favour of running high and low mp models in parallel.