Pentax : Japan market share :-)

aurele · 11-15-2011, 04:02 AM

according to BCN, from january to october :

DSLR market share :

Canon : 43.7%
Nikon : 41.4%
Pentax : 7.3%
Other 7.6%

Pentax market share seems to increase in Japan, and Pentax is ahead Sony and their SLT.

Nice to see that Pentax is still alive, and keep growing :-)

BCN report :
http://www.bcn.co.jp/sys_imgs/co_press/pdf/2011111009583380262.pdf

Kunzite · 11-15-2011, 05:26 AM

They haven't started growing yet

gazonk · 11-15-2011, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by aurele

Pentax market share seems to increase in Japan, and Pentax is ahead Sony and their SLT.

Nice to see that Pentax is still alive, and keep growing :-)

Good news... but are you sure the SLT is in the SLR and not in the "mirrorless" group? (If I understand the somewhat crudely google-translated version of the pdf, Sony has a large market share in the latter)

aurele · 11-15-2011, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

but are you sure the SLT is in the SLR and not in the "mirrorless" group?

in SLT you still have a mirror so it is a DSLR

in mirrorless Sony have around 29% market share.

Originally posted by Kunzite

They haven't started growing yet

the have grown of 1%, last year Pentax had around 6% of market share.

Kunzite · 11-15-2011, 05:49 AM

Sony is on the 3rd position in MILC category with 29.3%, after Olympus (37.1%) and Panasonic (29.5%). I believe they did it with the NEX, which is selling quite well in Japan.

Aurele, the 1.5% figure was the worldwide market share including compacts. Which means it was mostly compacts. Kodak, for example, was way above Pentax with over 7% market share; how many DSLRs do they make? And how well are they doing right now?

In Japan, if we're talking about DSLRs, Pentax was "always" quite strong; IMO fact 7.3% is a low-ish value - but this will change.

elho_cid · 11-15-2011, 07:50 AM

Now they need more lens and accesories options to support K-5 and future enthisiast cameras. O-GPS1 was a move to good direction, I enjoy mine.

causey · 11-15-2011, 08:07 AM - **1 Like**

I think an improved AF system comes on top of the list of priorities. Next, probably, flash or problem-free SDM. Lenses, third...

aurele · 11-15-2011, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

IMO fact 7.3% is a low-ish value

with Canikon holding 85,1% of the market, 7.5% is not that bad

Originally posted by causey

problem-free SDM

Pentax called it DC motor, isn't it ? If they could put it in all lense, it would be sooooo nice, and become cheaper btw.

Originally posted by elho_cid

Now they need more lens

Pentax need/should reproduce some legacy lense, it could be so nice and an easy way to have a good lense line up very quick for enthousiats.

To summarize, Pentax have some work to do to grab more than 10% of the market !

gazonk · 11-15-2011, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by causey

I think an improved AF system comes on top of the list of priorities. Next, probably, flash or problem-free SDM. Lenses, third...

I'd place problem-free SDM on top. And they really, really need to introduce a new 2.8 WR standard zoom, the 16-50 is unconvincing optically. As a minimal stop gap solution, maybe they should offer the K-5 with a WR version of the 17-70 (no, it's not 2.8, but at least it's a clear step up from the 18-55).

aurele · 11-15-2011, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

I'd place problem-free SDM on top. And they really, really need to introduce a new 2.8 WR standard zoom, the 16-50 is unconvincing optically. As a minimal stop gap solution, maybe they should offer the K-5 with a WR version of the 17-70 (no, it's not 2.8, but at least it's a clear step up from the 18-55).

both go together : useless to have a very good AF if the SDm fail all the time, and useless to have a SDM if the focus is never done on the good thing.

both are a request of enthousiast, but should be "put" in the entry line too.

causey · 11-15-2011, 08:23 AM

Obviously, everybody thinks of something else when it comes to formulating priorities. I put AF first, because all cameras have it, and an improved AF would benefit all Pentax owners. Moreover, better AF might make Pentax look more "professional," since more usable for weddings and such. I was trying to be more "objective"... But, of course, even trying to be objective is not being objective. More objective would be a list of priorities voted by many members of the PF. I was thinking of opening a Priorities thread--but then I'd like to have a good idea of what should be on the list...

So, let's see: AF, SDM, lenses (as a general topic--what lenses is a different subject), flash, customer service, quality control... What else?

I would reserve this list for APS-C cameras. I know many would say a FF is the most urgent thing Pentax should take care of.

eddie1960 · 11-15-2011, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by causey

I would reserve this list for APS-C cameras. I know many would say a FF is the most urgent thing Pentax should take care of.

The list would apply to both APS-C and FF and in fact all these things need to be in place for FF, Cost can be spread over FF and APS-C.

causey · 11-15-2011, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

The list would apply ...

The list would be what we make of it...
I doubt Pentax has the financial strength to offer a FF system while taking care of the other things. Anyway, I guess we can add FF too, since otherwise we risk getting into a FF/no FF heat. I'll mention marketing as well.
Again, this is not the order or priorities, but a list of what should be included on the list aimed at ordering priorities:

improved AF
worry free SDM
more lenses (as a general topic--what lenses, that's a different subject)
improved flash system
better customer service
better quality control
FF
marketing

RonHendriks1966 · 11-15-2011, 09:04 AM

Well that is a good figure I think.

For 2007: 'Big two' continue to dominate Japan: Digital Photography Review it was 6,3 %

I think 2008/9 where lower. Getting over 10 % is a good goal for 2013 I think.

elho_cid · 11-15-2011, 09:17 AM

There is no such thing as worry free in-lens motor. Cannot be. No one has it yet, why should Pentax be the first to have it?
AF is good enough in the K-5 already, on par with comparable Canon or Nikon bodies (60D or D90, I do understand that more points in D7000 is something desirable)
And I do not have problem with flashes.

Pentax needs skilled users that know how to use it's advantages to get great photos. What they have so far is (mosty) herd of geeks dedicated to find every possible problem in their cameras. I'm sorry for this impression but it is sad.

11-15-2011, 04:02 AM	#1
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Pentax : Japan market share :-) according to BCN, from january to october : DSLR market share : Canon : 43.7% Nikon : 41.4% Pentax : 7.3% Other 7.6% Pentax market share seems to increase in Japan, and Pentax is ahead Sony and their SLT. Nice to see that Pentax is still alive, and keep growing :-) BCN report : http://www.bcn.co.jp/sys_imgs/co_press/pdf/2011111009583380262.pdf

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Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	They haven't started growing yet

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gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by aurele Pentax market share seems to increase in Japan, and Pentax is ahead Sony and their SLT. Nice to see that Pentax is still alive, and keep growing :-) Good news... but are you sure the SLT is in the SLR and not in the "mirrorless" group? (If I understand the somewhat crudely google-translated version of the pdf, Sony has a large market share in the latter)

11-15-2011, 05:48 AM	#4
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217 Original Poster	Originally posted by gazonk but are you sure the SLT is in the SLR and not in the "mirrorless" group? in SLT you still have a mirror so it is a DSLR in mirrorless Sony have around 29% market share. Originally posted by Kunzite They haven't started growing yet the have grown of 1%, last year Pentax had around 6% of market share.

11-15-2011, 05:49 AM	#5
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Sony is on the 3rd position in MILC category with 29.3%, after Olympus (37.1%) and Panasonic (29.5%). I believe they did it with the NEX, which is selling quite well in Japan. Aurele, the 1.5% figure was the worldwide market share including compacts. Which means it was mostly compacts. Kodak, for example, was way above Pentax with over 7% market share; how many DSLRs do they make? And how well are they doing right now? In Japan, if we're talking about DSLRs, Pentax was "always" quite strong; IMO fact 7.3% is a low-ish value - but this will change.

11-15-2011, 07:50 AM	#6
elho_cid Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Prague Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Now they need more lens and accesories options to support K-5 and future enthisiast cameras. O-GPS1 was a move to good direction, I enjoy mine.

11-15-2011, 08:07 AM - 1 Like	#7
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	I think an improved AF system comes on top of the list of priorities. Next, probably, flash or problem-free SDM. Lenses, third...

11-15-2011, 08:08 AM	#8
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite IMO fact 7.3% is a low-ish value with Canikon holding 85,1% of the market, 7.5% is not that bad Originally posted by causey problem-free SDM Pentax called it DC motor, isn't it ? If they could put it in all lense, it would be sooooo nice, and become cheaper btw. Originally posted by elho_cid Now they need more lens Pentax need/should reproduce some legacy lense, it could be so nice and an easy way to have a good lense line up very quick for enthousiats. To summarize, Pentax have some work to do to grab more than 10% of the market !

11-15-2011, 08:13 AM	#9
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by causey I think an improved AF system comes on top of the list of priorities. Next, probably, flash or problem-free SDM. Lenses, third... I'd place problem-free SDM on top. And they really, really need to introduce a new 2.8 WR standard zoom, the 16-50 is unconvincing optically. As a minimal stop gap solution, maybe they should offer the K-5 with a WR version of the 17-70 (no, it's not 2.8, but at least it's a clear step up from the 18-55).

11-15-2011, 08:18 AM	#10
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217 Original Poster	Originally posted by gazonk I'd place problem-free SDM on top. And they really, really need to introduce a new 2.8 WR standard zoom, the 16-50 is unconvincing optically. As a minimal stop gap solution, maybe they should offer the K-5 with a WR version of the 17-70 (no, it's not 2.8, but at least it's a clear step up from the 18-55). both go together : useless to have a very good AF if the SDm fail all the time, and useless to have a SDM if the focus is never done on the good thing. both are a request of enthousiast, but should be "put" in the entry line too.

11-15-2011, 08:23 AM	#11
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	Obviously, everybody thinks of something else when it comes to formulating priorities. I put AF first, because all cameras have it, and an improved AF would benefit all Pentax owners. Moreover, better AF might make Pentax look more "professional," since more usable for weddings and such. I was trying to be more "objective"... But, of course, even trying to be objective is not being objective. More objective would be a list of priorities voted by many members of the PF. I was thinking of opening a Priorities thread--but then I'd like to have a good idea of what should be on the list... So, let's see: AF, SDM, lenses (as a general topic--what lenses is a different subject), flash, customer service, quality control... What else? I would reserve this list for APS-C cameras. I know many would say a FF is the most urgent thing Pentax should take care of.

11-15-2011, 08:59 AM	#12
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by causey I would reserve this list for APS-C cameras. I know many would say a FF is the most urgent thing Pentax should take care of. The list would apply to both APS-C and FF and in fact all these things need to be in place for FF, Cost can be spread over FF and APS-C.

11-15-2011, 09:04 AM	#13
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	Originally posted by eddie1960 The list would apply ... The list would be what we make of it... I doubt Pentax has the financial strength to offer a FF system while taking care of the other things. Anyway, I guess we can add FF too, since otherwise we risk getting into a FF/no FF heat. I'll mention marketing as well. Again, this is not the order or priorities, but a list of what should be included on the list aimed at ordering priorities: improved AF worry free SDM more lenses (as a general topic--what lenses, that's a different subject) improved flash system better customer service better quality control FF marketing

11-15-2011, 09:04 AM	#14
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Well that is a good figure I think. For 2007: 'Big two' continue to dominate Japan: Digital Photography Review it was 6,3 % I think 2008/9 where lower. Getting over 10 % is a good goal for 2013 I think.

11-15-2011, 09:17 AM	#15
elho_cid Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Prague Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	There is no such thing as worry free in-lens motor. Cannot be. No one has it yet, why should Pentax be the first to have it? AF is good enough in the K-5 already, on par with comparable Canon or Nikon bodies (60D or D90, I do understand that more points in D7000 is something desirable) And I do not have problem with flashes. Pentax needs skilled users that know how to use it's advantages to get great photos. What they have so far is (mosty) herd of geeks dedicated to find every possible problem in their cameras. I'm sorry for this impression but it is sad.