CES time!

andi · 01-12-2012, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

Otherwise, we shouldn't expect any exciting stuff from CES.

It's not CES, it's PMA 2012! One of two biggest photography conventions in the world.
Sorry, but Pentax is gone, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind.
Nobody even talks about Pentax there anymore, it's Ricoh only, which is unknown anyway...
Their biggest product is the M-module, a support product for the very limited group
of Leica users. So we are talking a very limited product for a very limited group.
And that's their biggest thing on PMA 2012.
Even the strap makers where much more popular. Sad but true.

eddie1960 · 01-12-2012, 10:19 AM

PMA is not by any stretch one of the 2 biggest it has been in decline for a few years and it partnered with CES to stem that. Problem is CES is not typically an imaging show so I think it failed (if you think otherwise where were the big pending announcements from Sony Canon and Nikon - aside from d4 and the GX there was nothing - premium imaging companies like leica, Phase,Hassleblad etc weren't even there). Fuji Canon Sony and Nikon BTW were not on the PMA floor but on the main CES floor
CP+ will see much more action from the big japanese brands and Photokina is really the truly big one with everyone represented
Pentax does have a history of announcements at CP+, but at best a few P&S at CES.

One interview by a pretty hack journalist who can't tell the difference between Ricoh and Pentax with a Ricoh employe on you tube id hardl;y empirical evidence of the demise of Pentax

CP+ CAMERA & PHOTO IMAGING SHOW 2012

andi · 01-12-2012, 10:44 AM

dream on.

PMA and Photokina are/were 2 biggest photography events.
As all the conventions they are becoming less important,
it's not like suddenly PMA only is losing.
Nobody cares about an event in Japan, sorry, but you won't see
anything there, just like this week in Vegas. It's not really that sad
that there is no new products/no news, there is simply no presence.
If you don't care about an event, don't come at all, it would be way better
than put a Pentax logo up there this week next to a table with a few Ricoh
M-modules to touch.

johnc · 01-12-2012, 10:46 AM - **2 Likes**

Perhaps in response to some of the current discussions here and elsewhere, Pentax UK just posted the following on their facebook page:

Hi Guys

We can confirm that Japan has now ceased production of the PENTAX K-r. However, it will continue to be available to purchase in Europe until at least May.

Customers and users of the K-r can be assured that, as with all Pentax SLRS, future lens introductions will be compatible with the K-r body.

We can also confirm that rumours about the K-5 discontinuing are untrue.

https://www.facebook.com/pentaxuk

glanglois · 01-12-2012, 10:53 AM

A simple, straightforward comment from Pentax containing hard news.

Rather unusual but very welcome. I hope they didn't get their wrists slapped ....

eddie1960 · 01-12-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by andi

dream on.

PMA and Photokina are/were 2 biggest photography events.
As all the conventions they are becoming less important,
it's not like suddenly PMA only is losing.
Nobody cares about an event in Japan, sorry, but you won't see
anything there, just like this week in Vegas. It's not really that sad
that there is no new products/no news, there is simply no presence.
If you don't care about an event, don't come at all, it would be way better
than put a Pentax logo up there this week next to a table with a few Ricoh
M-modules to touch.

where was it the 645D was announced again???? Oh yeah CP+

PMA cancelled last year and has moved around for several years trying to find a home. CP+ is the big show for the Asian market. the Asian market is where Pentax and ricoh have their best market share.

Aside form that the move is away from big announcements at trade shows as you don't control the exposure the way you do with timed announcements.
The announcements from everyone show how irrelevant PMA is to the ILC market. I'm sure Nikon has new models prepped besides the D4, Sony announced most of theirs last year but still have a number of pending models. Canon announces when they feel like it, but they had no ILC to announce despite some being ready for replacement (like say the pending 5D3
none of them take this show seriously for the better cameras

Go back a few years and when it ran separately PMA was pretty big but it has lost relevance to {Photokina for some time.

So if you think they need a BIG show and CP+ isn't relevant then wait for Photokina.

as for just showing m modules what do you base that on a useless video by an uniformed talking head on you tube or were you there? It looked to me like there were a number of cameras in the showcases not just GXR

Docrwm · 01-12-2012, 11:00 AM

Might suggest folks look at two other threads for some more specific information:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/171528-interview-penta...executive.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/171551-tethering-aps-c...open-idea.html

glanglois · 01-12-2012, 11:03 AM

Re: PMA. The sign of a show in decline, more or less without a purpose, is that it finds it needs to piggyback on another show just to pretend to exist. If it were important, it would not have been cancelled last year.

I've been to enough shows, in my case in telecoms, to have seen this pattern elsewhere. Over and over again. Industries and sellers no longer have huge budgets for trade shows and buyers learn that they can get JIT information from other sources.

CES, I expect, is now more about the press than it is about the coming year's products - the traditional CES role. Retailers used to learn in January what they'd be selling in the following Christmas season. There are many other avenues for that information now and CES ends up being a large PR event for certain (not all) major players and for tiny firms with truly unique ideas, trying desparately to get recognized. Pentax falls into neither category.

falconeye · 01-12-2012, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by andi

It's not CES, it's PMA 2012! ...
Sorry, but Pentax is gone, ...

Not Pentax is gone, but PMA.

eddie1960 · 01-12-2012, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by glanglois

CES, I expect, is now more about the press than it is about the coming year's products - the traditional CES role. Retailers used to learn in January what they'd be selling in the following Christmas season. There are many other avenues for that information now and CES ends up being a large PR event for certain (not all) major players and for tiny firms with truly unique ideas, trying desparately to get recognized. Pentax falls into neither category.

CES must be losing it too AVN split off from them

http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/silicon-and-silicone-split-as...how-part-ways/

EDIt

I'll also point out that the True Hi fi end of the show split off 14 years ago and moved down the strip. All the Hi Fidelity Manufacturers felt they were being lost in the computer and cheap electronics shuffle at CES

http://www.theshowlasvegas.com/

vonBaloney · 01-12-2012, 11:22 AM

I'm guessing Pentax didn't have any "booth babes"?

BBC News - 'Booth babes' stir controversy at 2012 CES

eddie1960 · 01-12-2012, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by vonBaloney

I'm guessing Pentax didn't have any "booth babes"?

BBC News - 'Booth babes' stir controversy at 2012 CES

Well they had to replace the missing porn stars

Mr Spocko · 01-12-2012, 11:40 AM

Poor show from Pentax they could have had "something" to show. Nice to see the K-r is still being sold even with it's well known faults way to go Pentax.
Guess it's back to the old *ist DL until they have a product that can actually AF properly.

eddie1960 · 01-12-2012, 02:05 PM

Well Said

sjwaldron · 01-12-2012, 02:13 PM

Even locally since the K-7 and K-5 have been released, photographers who use other gear I know where interested in those two cameras.

I think in general from here and into the future, Pentax will only get stronger and more popular. Dealing with Hoya and now Ricoh probably caused a few issues, but I think with Ricoh we should see Pentax given the resources and innovation leyway to make some great gear.

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01-12-2012, 10:07 AM	#256
andi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 200	Originally posted by falconeye Otherwise, we shouldn't expect any exciting stuff from CES. It's not CES, it's PMA 2012! One of two biggest photography conventions in the world. Sorry, but Pentax is gone, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind. Nobody even talks about Pentax there anymore, it's Ricoh only, which is unknown anyway... Their biggest product is the M-module, a support product for the very limited group of Leica users. So we are talking a very limited product for a very limited group. And that's their biggest thing on PMA 2012. Even the strap makers where much more popular. Sad but true.

01-12-2012, 10:19 AM	#257
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	PMA is not by any stretch one of the 2 biggest it has been in decline for a few years and it partnered with CES to stem that. Problem is CES is not typically an imaging show so I think it failed (if you think otherwise where were the big pending announcements from Sony Canon and Nikon - aside from d4 and the GX there was nothing - premium imaging companies like leica, Phase,Hassleblad etc weren't even there). Fuji Canon Sony and Nikon BTW were not on the PMA floor but on the main CES floor CP+ will see much more action from the big japanese brands and Photokina is really the truly big one with everyone represented Pentax does have a history of announcements at CP+, but at best a few P&S at CES. One interview by a pretty hack journalist who can't tell the difference between Ricoh and Pentax with a Ricoh employe on you tube id hardl;y empirical evidence of the demise of Pentax CP+ CAMERA & PHOTO IMAGING SHOW 2012

01-12-2012, 10:44 AM	#258
andi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 200	dream on. PMA and Photokina are/were 2 biggest photography events. As all the conventions they are becoming less important, it's not like suddenly PMA only is losing. Nobody cares about an event in Japan, sorry, but you won't see anything there, just like this week in Vegas. It's not really that sad that there is no new products/no news, there is simply no presence. If you don't care about an event, don't come at all, it would be way better than put a Pentax logo up there this week next to a table with a few Ricoh M-modules to touch.

01-12-2012, 10:46 AM - 2 Likes	#259
johnc Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 735	Perhaps in response to some of the current discussions here and elsewhere, Pentax UK just posted the following on their facebook page: Hi Guys We can confirm that Japan has now ceased production of the PENTAX K-r. However, it will continue to be available to purchase in Europe until at least May. Customers and users of the K-r can be assured that, as with all Pentax SLRS, future lens introductions will be compatible with the K-r body. We can also confirm that rumours about the K-5 discontinuing are untrue. https://www.facebook.com/pentaxuk

01-12-2012, 10:53 AM	#260
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	A simple, straightforward comment from Pentax containing hard news. Rather unusual but very welcome. I hope they didn't get their wrists slapped ....

01-12-2012, 10:54 AM	#261
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by andi dream on. PMA and Photokina are/were 2 biggest photography events. As all the conventions they are becoming less important, it's not like suddenly PMA only is losing. Nobody cares about an event in Japan, sorry, but you won't see anything there, just like this week in Vegas. It's not really that sad that there is no new products/no news, there is simply no presence. If you don't care about an event, don't come at all, it would be way better than put a Pentax logo up there this week next to a table with a few Ricoh M-modules to touch. where was it the 645D was announced again???? Oh yeah CP+ PMA cancelled last year and has moved around for several years trying to find a home. CP+ is the big show for the Asian market. the Asian market is where Pentax and ricoh have their best market share. Aside form that the move is away from big announcements at trade shows as you don't control the exposure the way you do with timed announcements. The announcements from everyone show how irrelevant PMA is to the ILC market. I'm sure Nikon has new models prepped besides the D4, Sony announced most of theirs last year but still have a number of pending models. Canon announces when they feel like it, but they had no ILC to announce despite some being ready for replacement (like say the pending 5D3 none of them take this show seriously for the better cameras Go back a few years and when it ran separately PMA was pretty big but it has lost relevance to {Photokina for some time. So if you think they need a BIG show and CP+ isn't relevant then wait for Photokina. as for just showing m modules what do you base that on a useless video by an uniformed talking head on you tube or were you there? It looked to me like there were a number of cameras in the showcases not just GXR

01-12-2012, 11:00 AM	#262
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Might suggest folks look at two other threads for some more specific information: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/171528-interview-penta...executive.html https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/171551-tethering-aps-c...open-idea.html

01-12-2012, 11:03 AM	#263
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Re: PMA. The sign of a show in decline, more or less without a purpose, is that it finds it needs to piggyback on another show just to pretend to exist. If it were important, it would not have been cancelled last year. I've been to enough shows, in my case in telecoms, to have seen this pattern elsewhere. Over and over again. Industries and sellers no longer have huge budgets for trade shows and buyers learn that they can get JIT information from other sources. CES, I expect, is now more about the press than it is about the coming year's products - the traditional CES role. Retailers used to learn in January what they'd be selling in the following Christmas season. There are many other avenues for that information now and CES ends up being a large PR event for certain (not all) major players and for tiny firms with truly unique ideas, trying desparately to get recognized. Pentax falls into neither category.

01-12-2012, 11:15 AM	#264
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by andi It's not CES, it's PMA 2012! ... Sorry, but Pentax is gone, ... Not Pentax is gone, but PMA.

01-12-2012, 11:21 AM	#265
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by glanglois CES, I expect, is now more about the press than it is about the coming year's products - the traditional CES role. Retailers used to learn in January what they'd be selling in the following Christmas season. There are many other avenues for that information now and CES ends up being a large PR event for certain (not all) major players and for tiny firms with truly unique ideas, trying desparately to get recognized. Pentax falls into neither category. CES must be losing it too AVN split off from them http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/silicon-and-silicone-split-as...how-part-ways/ EDIt I'll also point out that the True Hi fi end of the show split off 14 years ago and moved down the strip. All the Hi Fidelity Manufacturers felt they were being lost in the computer and cheap electronics shuffle at CES http://www.theshowlasvegas.com/

01-12-2012, 11:22 AM	#266
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	I'm guessing Pentax didn't have any "booth babes"? BBC News - 'Booth babes' stir controversy at 2012 CES

01-12-2012, 11:34 AM	#267
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by vonBaloney I'm guessing Pentax didn't have any "booth babes"? BBC News - 'Booth babes' stir controversy at 2012 CES Well they had to replace the missing porn stars

01-12-2012, 11:40 AM	#268
Mr Spocko Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 254	Poor show from Pentax they could have had "something" to show. Nice to see the K-r is still being sold even with it's well known faults way to go Pentax. Guess it's back to the old *ist DL until they have a product that can actually AF properly.

01-12-2012, 02:05 PM	#269
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Well Said

01-12-2012, 02:13 PM	#270
sjwaldron Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,235	Even locally since the K-7 and K-5 have been released, photographers who use other gear I know where interested in those two cameras. I think in general from here and into the future, Pentax will only get stronger and more popular. Dealing with Hoya and now Ricoh probably caused a few issues, but I think with Ricoh we should see Pentax given the resources and innovation leyway to make some great gear.