GXR K-mount rumor

ogl · 01-18-2012, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by Fogel70

I'm not sure a GXR K-mount module will be mirrorless, at least not if it will support AF. If AF is to be close to a DSLR performance (or even other mirrorless systems) the module need phase detect AF sensor, which at the moment I think can only be done with a mirror (like in Sony SLT cameras).

If using contrast detect AF with K-mount lenses AF will be slow, and continous AF will not be very useful. If they choose this option I don't see what market they are after, as a kit with GXR-body, K-mount module and EVF will probably be more expensive than K5. And it will not be much smaller, have much slower AF and might not include shake reduction.

But they might go for a cheap simple manual focus only module. This will not require much R&D as they already have the M-mount module.

GXR is already mirrorless. Module are just sensor with electronics + lens mount.

There is new patent from Ricoh for SR in modules for GXR.

Anyway, it seems to me - K-module could be manual focus. Like M-mount.

audiobomber · 01-18-2012, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by glanglois

OK, my turn. I agree with your conclusion but I hope you did not intend to imply that Ricoh's camera strategy is based on the presence of Canon as an office printer/copier competitor. These markets and product families are too dissimilar to link. Ricoh would drive itself nuts trying to intertwine camera developments with high-volume printing marketing.

I didn't make it up, but I cannot find the reference where Ricoh actually mentioned going after Canon. I assume the point is to compete with Canon on two fronts instead of just copiers. If they are successful, it weakens Canon and bolsters Ricoh.

Ricoh also sees a link between commercial and consumer product lines and wants to become more invested in the consumer market. I don't quite see what this has to do with Pentax, but apparently Ricoh does. I suppose it's because Pentax markets to consumers and Ricoh to businesses:

"The goal of the Acquisition is to establish a firmer presence in the consumer business, which has been a considerable challenge for Ricoh. Ricoh believes that the borderline between office and home will fade and this will be reflected in a major change in products and services. Ricoh aims to provide more consumer–oriented offerings not only in the field of digital cameras but also video conferencing systems, network appliances, and others, to their customers around the world. The Acquisition is the first step in this direction."
http://www.ricoh.com/release/2011/pdf/0701.pdf

Spare Tire · 01-18-2012, 05:59 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ogl

Anyway, it seems to me - K-module could be manual focus. Like M-mount.

If that were the case there is no point it buying that. Could just buy an M-mount + adaptor.

stanleyk · 01-18-2012, 07:38 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Spare Tire

If that were the case there is no point it buying that. Could just buy an M-mount + adaptor.

After having spent some time adapting various lenses to a MFT camera, I would prefer a module that is designed to accept the lens mount. It's the main reason I won't get a Sony NEX 7. They have one good lens and their solution at least for now seems to be buy an adapter. Regardless of the relative merits of the cameras Fuji seems to have a better handle on this than Sony. They are releasing three good prime lenses with the camera with an 6 additional lenses already scheduled for later 2012/2013. As a GXR user I would be very interested in a K mount module.

**monochrome** · 01-18-2012, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Clinton

Round 1236: FIGHT!

Whoa.

Take this post (your attitude re: "the sky is falling" and "FF NEVER" threads);
add your frequent links to awesome legacy FA glass;
stir in a little Adam (the K-mount is NOT going away x3 or 4)
and one might begin to wonder if something really groundbreaking is being tested under NDA's.

TaoMaas · 01-18-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by junyo

So no one said the sky is falling, simply that I don't believe Pentax has any great new products in pipeline, and I've seen zero evidence other than hopes and dreams to disabuse me of that notion.

Nor have you seen anything to make you believe that they WON'T be introducing anything new...yet you choose not to be pragmatic and instead believe that a company who owns two well-known brands of cameras will just stop where they are now. Sorry, but that is "chicken little" thinking.

Edited to add: Has Ricoh always done timelines for their photography products? Or are we expecting them to do something they've never done before?

selar · 01-18-2012, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

one might begin to wonder if something really groundbreaking is being tested under NDA's.

Yes, the new camera from Ricoh/Pentax will use the human eyes to record images and store them in your brain. A specially devised USB stick will have to be inserted in your left ear to download the images.

RioRico · 01-18-2012, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by selar

Yes, the new camera from Ricoh/Pentax will use the human eyes to record images and store them in your brain. A specially devised USB stick will have to be inserted in your left ear to download the images.

Be sure to use a fresh roll of toilet paper for printing.
[/me based this line on an actual joke]

selar · 01-18-2012, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by RioRico

Be sure to use a fresh roll of toilet paper for printing.

Matt or Gloss?

RioRico · 01-18-2012, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by selar

Matt or Gloss?

Gloss for macros, matte for portraits.

Clavius · 01-18-2012, 11:29 PM

People calm down. Take the fact that Pentax has virtually NO marketing in consideration. With their marketing "history" it could well be they have a brilliant machine planned for some date in the near future. I wouldn't be surprised if it would be suddenly there without any announcement.

ogl · 01-18-2012, 11:39 PM

16MP sensor
ISO range: 200 - 25600
EVF which will simulate the pentaprism design
The built-in flash will have a GN=10 (Guide Number)
5-axis shake reduction
Fast AF & 3D tracking
Two colors will be available: black and silver
Weather sealed magnesium body
Camera width: 121mm
Weight: 425g
Release date: late March, 2012

The last Pentax train is gone...?

Asahiflex · 01-19-2012, 12:49 AM

I like the design, but I suspect it's just some photoshop work. No way they would copy the exact mirror box of the OM series including the shutter speed ring around the bayonet and the mirror lock up knob. Also note the color differences...

gazonk · 01-19-2012, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

I like the design, but I suspect it's just some photoshop work.

It's probably photoshop work.

And honestly, if it looks anything like this, I think it's retro gone way too far. While the pentaprism housing of the OM-1 certainly was beautiful, it's just silly to copy that for an all-electronic camera. Actually, after an initial positive reaction, I'm beginning to think that the Fuji XP-1 design is a bit silly too. The retro design is nice, but it's simply too much of a Leica rip-off, and besides, it's a remarkably big camera when compared to the NEX-7.

Asahiflex · 01-19-2012, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

And honestly, if it looks anything like this, I think it's retro gone way too far. While the pentaprism housing of the OM-1 certainly was beautiful, it's just silly to copy that for an all-electronic camera. Actually, after an initial positive reaction, I'm beginning to think that the Fuji XP-1 design is a bit silly too. The retro design is nice, but it's simply too much of a Leica rip-off, and besides, it's a remarkably big camera when compared to the NEX-7.

Indeed; I even found it very big when compared to the K-x!

Compare camera dimensions side by side

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01-18-2012, 05:56 AM	#47
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by glanglois OK, my turn. I agree with your conclusion but I hope you did not intend to imply that Ricoh's camera strategy is based on the presence of Canon as an office printer/copier competitor. These markets and product families are too dissimilar to link. Ricoh would drive itself nuts trying to intertwine camera developments with high-volume printing marketing. I didn't make it up, but I cannot find the reference where Ricoh actually mentioned going after Canon. I assume the point is to compete with Canon on two fronts instead of just copiers. If they are successful, it weakens Canon and bolsters Ricoh. Ricoh also sees a link between commercial and consumer product lines and wants to become more invested in the consumer market. I don't quite see what this has to do with Pentax, but apparently Ricoh does. I suppose it's because Pentax markets to consumers and Ricoh to businesses: "The goal of the Acquisition is to establish a firmer presence in the consumer business, which has been a considerable challenge for Ricoh. Ricoh believes that the borderline between office and home will fade and this will be reflected in a major change in products and services. Ricoh aims to provide more consumer–oriented offerings not only in the field of digital cameras but also video conferencing systems, network appliances, and others, to their customers around the world. The Acquisition is the first step in this direction." http://www.ricoh.com/release/2011/pdf/0701.pdf Last edited by audiobomber; 01-18-2012 at 09:25 AM.

01-18-2012, 10:35 AM	#51
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by junyo So no one said the sky is falling, simply that I don't believe Pentax has any great new products in pipeline, and I've seen zero evidence other than hopes and dreams to disabuse me of that notion. Nor have you seen anything to make you believe that they WON'T be introducing anything new...yet you choose not to be pragmatic and instead believe that a company who owns two well-known brands of cameras will just stop where they are now. Sorry, but that is "chicken little" thinking. Edited to add: Has Ricoh always done timelines for their photography products? Or are we expecting them to do something they've never done before? Last edited by TaoMaas; 01-18-2012 at 10:47 AM.

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01-18-2012, 03:38 AM	#46
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by Fogel70 I'm not sure a GXR K-mount module will be mirrorless, at least not if it will support AF. If AF is to be close to a DSLR performance (or even other mirrorless systems) the module need phase detect AF sensor, which at the moment I think can only be done with a mirror (like in Sony SLT cameras). If using contrast detect AF with K-mount lenses AF will be slow, and continous AF will not be very useful. If they choose this option I don't see what market they are after, as a kit with GXR-body, K-mount module and EVF will probably be more expensive than K5. And it will not be much smaller, have much slower AF and might not include shake reduction. But they might go for a cheap simple manual focus only module. This will not require much R&D as they already have the M-mount module. GXR is already mirrorless. Module are just sensor with electronics + lens mount. There is new patent from Ricoh for SR in modules for GXR. Anyway, it seems to me - K-module could be manual focus. Like M-mount.

01-18-2012, 05:59 AM - 1 Like	#48
Spare Tire Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Montréal Posts: 118	Originally posted by ogl Anyway, it seems to me - K-module could be manual focus. Like M-mount. If that were the case there is no point it buying that. Could just buy an M-mount + adaptor.

01-18-2012, 07:38 AM - 1 Like	#49
stanleyk Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Taylor, Texas Posts: 1,018	Originally posted by Spare Tire If that were the case there is no point it buying that. Could just buy an M-mount + adaptor. After having spent some time adapting various lenses to a MFT camera, I would prefer a module that is designed to accept the lens mount. It's the main reason I won't get a Sony NEX 7. They have one good lens and their solution at least for now seems to be buy an adapter. Regardless of the relative merits of the cameras Fuji seems to have a better handle on this than Sony. They are releasing three good prime lenses with the camera with an 6 additional lenses already scheduled for later 2012/2013. As a GXR user I would be very interested in a K mount module.

01-18-2012, 09:53 AM	#50
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Clinton Round 1236: FIGHT! Whoa. Take this post (your attitude re: "the sky is falling" and "FF NEVER" threads); add your frequent links to awesome legacy FA glass; stir in a little Adam (the K-mount is NOT going away x3 or 4) and one might begin to wonder if something really groundbreaking is being tested under NDA's.

01-18-2012, 03:49 PM	#52
selar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,042	Originally posted by monochrome one might begin to wonder if something really groundbreaking is being tested under NDA's. Yes, the new camera from Ricoh/Pentax will use the human eyes to record images and store them in your brain. A specially devised USB stick will have to be inserted in your left ear to download the images.

01-18-2012, 06:48 PM	#53
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by selar Yes, the new camera from Ricoh/Pentax will use the human eyes to record images and store them in your brain. A specially devised USB stick will have to be inserted in your left ear to download the images. Be sure to use a fresh roll of toilet paper for printing. [/me based this line on an actual joke]

01-18-2012, 10:22 PM	#54
selar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,042	Originally posted by RioRico Be sure to use a fresh roll of toilet paper for printing. Matt or Gloss?

01-18-2012, 10:38 PM	#55
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by selar Matt or Gloss? Gloss for macros, matte for portraits.

01-18-2012, 11:29 PM	#56
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	People calm down. Take the fact that Pentax has virtually NO marketing in consideration. With their marketing "history" it could well be they have a brilliant machine planned for some date in the near future. I wouldn't be surprised if it would be suddenly there without any announcement.

01-18-2012, 11:39 PM	#57
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	16MP sensor ISO range: 200 - 25600 EVF which will simulate the pentaprism design The built-in flash will have a GN=10 (Guide Number) 5-axis shake reduction Fast AF & 3D tracking Two colors will be available: black and silver Weather sealed magnesium body Camera width: 121mm Weight: 425g Release date: late March, 2012 The last Pentax train is gone...?

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01-19-2012, 12:49 AM	#58
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	I like the design, but I suspect it's just some photoshop work. No way they would copy the exact mirror box of the OM series including the shutter speed ring around the bayonet and the mirror lock up knob. Also note the color differences...

01-19-2012, 02:22 AM	#59
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Asahiflex I like the design, but I suspect it's just some photoshop work. It's probably photoshop work. And honestly, if it looks anything like this, I think it's retro gone way too far. While the pentaprism housing of the OM-1 certainly was beautiful, it's just silly to copy that for an all-electronic camera. Actually, after an initial positive reaction, I'm beginning to think that the Fuji XP-1 design is a bit silly too. The retro design is nice, but it's simply too much of a Leica rip-off, and besides, it's a remarkably big camera when compared to the NEX-7.

01-19-2012, 02:28 AM	#60
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by gazonk And honestly, if it looks anything like this, I think it's retro gone way too far. While the pentaprism housing of the OM-1 certainly was beautiful, it's just silly to copy that for an all-electronic camera. Actually, after an initial positive reaction, I'm beginning to think that the Fuji XP-1 design is a bit silly too. The retro design is nice, but it's simply too much of a Leica rip-off, and besides, it's a remarkably big camera when compared to the NEX-7. Indeed; I even found it very big when compared to the K-x! Compare camera dimensions side by side Something went wrong here...