New K-01 mirrorless camera coming

Chex · 02-09-2012, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by abacus07

I really don't care what it looks like. Is the LCD the same design (higher resolution of course) as the previous models? Because when I am outside on a sunny day it is nearly impossible for me to review an image on my K200D. This is likely the deal breaker for me. How am I supposed to compose/MF in that situation which is common while hiking?

The K-5 also has several nice to have features (WR, probably longer battery life, more controls) so that is probably the direction that I'm going. The K-r replacement is also a possibility especially if they bring it in as a mid level entry like the K200D. WR, AA batteries, K-5 sensor. Sold.

AA batteries?? are you for real?? Buy the grip and use 6 AA"s and strap an extra lead weight to it while your at it.. a single DLi-90 battery on a K-5 is good for around 500-600 shots for me, I've barely ever used both batteries (Body and grip) in an outing (time laps included). AA's may be supported via a seperate tray.. but I would hate to see it as a proprietary battery solution with the Lithium Ion cells are far superior. I wish the K-5's grip used the extra wasted space used by the AA tray for better things like maybe a FUNCTIONAL SD card slot instead of a lame SD card "holder"

ogl · 02-10-2012, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Chex

AA batteries?? are you for real?? Buy the grip and use 6 AA"s and strap an extra lead weight to it while your at it.. a single DLi-90 battery on a K-5 is good for around 500-600 shots for me

My K-5 can 900-1000 shots without flash. K-01 (under specs) - 540 shots.

wjjstu · 02-10-2012, 03:31 AM

My trusty Ds can easily go 1000 shots without flash on "lowly" AAs and it uses obsolete half decade old power hogging circuitry.

bobmaxja · 02-10-2012, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by ogl

My K-5 can 900-1000 shots without flash. K-01 (under specs) - 540 shots.

It will do less because it's using livewiew only

eddie1960 · 02-10-2012, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by Chex

AA batteries?? are you for real?? Buy the grip and use 6 AA"s and strap an extra lead weight to it while your at it.. a single DLi-90 battery on a K-5 is good for around 500-600 shots for me, I've barely ever used both batteries (Body and grip) in an outing (time laps included). AA's may be supported via a seperate tray.. but I would hate to see it as a proprietary battery solution with the Lithium Ion cells are far superior. I wish the K-5's grip used the extra wasted space used by the AA tray for better things like maybe a FUNCTIONAL SD card slot instead of a lame SD card "holder"

the AA battery option is one a lot of people like. Personally i've never used the AA tray for my grip since 2 batteries have never been inadequate even on days i'm shooting from noon to 3 am with some flash and movie use thrown in

I mostly here it from [people traveling to spots where charging won't be convenient (or possible) but aa's are usually pretty common (reality for me is the cost of a pile of AA's to shot a lot just says to me buy a few cheap ebay dli90s and charge em all before leaving (really good lithium AAs cost a bomb, if i needed to take 24 on a trip i could buy 6 ebay batteries

)

abacus07 · 02-10-2012, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by Chex

AA batteries?? are you for real?? Buy the grip and use 6 AA"s and strap an extra lead weight to it while your at it.. a single DLi-90 battery on a K-5 is good for around 500-600 shots for me, I've barely ever used both batteries (Body and grip) in an outing (time laps included). AA's may be supported via a seperate tray.. but I would hate to see it as a proprietary battery solution with the Lithium Ion cells are far superior. I wish the K-5's grip used the extra wasted space used by the AA tray for better things like maybe a FUNCTIONAL SD card slot instead of a lame SD card "holder"

Hiking for several months in Tibet/Nepal? Bicycling/camping across parts of Japan? Other crazy adventures? I would prefer a lot of one common battery with multiple uses than several proprietary batteries, several different chargers, a grip and AA's for other things on the trip. I would also like to not be hiking/sightseeing with a small prime and a grip. However I fully expect to buy a K-5 with grip since it's doubtful that I'll get everything I want in one camera.

ogl · 02-10-2012, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by wjjstu

My trusty Ds can easily go 1000 shots without flash on "lowly" AAs and it uses obsolete half decade old power hogging circuitry.

with very good AA - Lithium Energeizer or Sanyo Eneloop. till 1000. with another batteries - not above 400-500.
with AF. with manual lenses - more.

ogl · 02-10-2012, 09:47 AM

Youtu.be

PAY ATTENTION - HOW DEEP MOUNT HOLE....
I think the idea of K-01 is new line of super small lenses with K-mount. Not to make the smallest body, but smallest lenses...

Laurentiu Cristofor · 02-10-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Not to make the smallest body, but smallest lenses...

The lenses are not small - they just look small when mounted. Their bulk is hidden by the body bulk.

ogl · 02-10-2012, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

The lenses are not small - they just look small when mounted. Their bulk is hidden by the body bulk.

is it joke?

by the way, DA40 XS is the smallest lens in the world.

**monochrome** · 02-10-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Pentax K-01 review - YouTube

PAY ATTENTION - HOW DEEP MOUNT HOLE....
I think the idea of K-01 is new line of super small lenses with K-mount. Not to make the smallest body, but smallest lenses...

Nails my contention from Day 1 (overwhelmed by the shouting) that the size of the camera only matters when a lens is mounted. How will the K-01 conmpare to others in its IQ class when the both have equivalent IQ lenses mounted?

Shirt pocket is fine for the camera body, but where do you carry the lens?

eddie1960 · 02-10-2012, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by ogl

is it joke?

by the way, DA40 XS is the smallest lens in the world.

this month

ogl · 02-10-2012, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Nails my contention from Day 1 (overwhelmed by the shouting) that the size of the camera only matters when a lens is mounted. How will the K-01 conmpare to others in its IQ class when the both have equivalent IQ lenses mounted?

Shirt pocket is fine for the camera body, but where do you carry the lens?

inside cigarette pack in second pocket

junyo · 02-10-2012, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by ogl

Pentax K-01 review - YouTube

PAY ATTENTION - HOW DEEP MOUNT HOLE....
I think the idea of K-01 is new line of super small lenses with K-mount. Not to make the smallest body, but smallest lenses...

Wow, and all you have to do is buy all new lenses to take advantage of it... Thus negating mount compatibility.

The idea only works if you're forced to re-buy focal lengths, in lens that are small system only, since the intrusion will make them a no go on anything with a mirror. So in exchange for avoiding an adapter (yay!), you've welded an extension tube on to the body (um, I guess yay?), which pretty much raises the cost of entry for anyone contemplating a switch from another brand (boo!).

Awesome marketshare building.

People can keep coming up with magical ways that this makes sense, but it really doesn't. A NEX7 with their 16mm pancake mounted is darn near the depth of a K-01 body; good luck making a lens so deep in makes the host body thinner. At any given focal length you've given up a couple cm before you've even started, and now you have to jump through hoops tucking parts of the lens inside the body just to hold ground, let alone trying to have a smaller overall package.

**monochrome** · 02-10-2012, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by ogl

inside cigarette pack in second pocket

I can just see the later Marketplace FS Thread: Small amount of internal tobacco shavings and filter lint. Does not affect image quality.

02-10-2012, 01:34 PM	#2010
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by ogl inside cigarette pack in second pocket I can just see the later Marketplace FS Thread: Small amount of internal tobacco shavings and filter lint. Does not affect image quality. Last edited by monochrome; 02-10-2012 at 03:13 PM.

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02-09-2012, 11:12 PM	#1996
Chex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The 'Stoke, British Columbia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,678	Originally posted by abacus07 I really don't care what it looks like. Is the LCD the same design (higher resolution of course) as the previous models? Because when I am outside on a sunny day it is nearly impossible for me to review an image on my K200D. This is likely the deal breaker for me. How am I supposed to compose/MF in that situation which is common while hiking? The K-5 also has several nice to have features (WR, probably longer battery life, more controls) so that is probably the direction that I'm going. The K-r replacement is also a possibility especially if they bring it in as a mid level entry like the K200D. WR, AA batteries, K-5 sensor. Sold. AA batteries?? are you for real?? Buy the grip and use 6 AA"s and strap an extra lead weight to it while your at it.. a single DLi-90 battery on a K-5 is good for around 500-600 shots for me, I've barely ever used both batteries (Body and grip) in an outing (time laps included). AA's may be supported via a seperate tray.. but I would hate to see it as a proprietary battery solution with the Lithium Ion cells are far superior. I wish the K-5's grip used the extra wasted space used by the AA tray for better things like maybe a FUNCTIONAL SD card slot instead of a lame SD card "holder"

02-10-2012, 12:34 AM	#1997
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Chex AA batteries?? are you for real?? Buy the grip and use 6 AA"s and strap an extra lead weight to it while your at it.. a single DLi-90 battery on a K-5 is good for around 500-600 shots for me My K-5 can 900-1000 shots without flash. K-01 (under specs) - 540 shots.

02-10-2012, 03:31 AM	#1998
wjjstu Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 181	My trusty Ds can easily go 1000 shots without flash on "lowly" AAs and it uses obsolete half decade old power hogging circuitry.

02-10-2012, 05:51 AM	#1999
bobmaxja Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,171	Originally posted by ogl My K-5 can 900-1000 shots without flash. K-01 (under specs) - 540 shots. It will do less because it's using livewiew only

02-10-2012, 07:48 AM	#2000
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Chex AA batteries?? are you for real?? Buy the grip and use 6 AA"s and strap an extra lead weight to it while your at it.. a single DLi-90 battery on a K-5 is good for around 500-600 shots for me, I've barely ever used both batteries (Body and grip) in an outing (time laps included). AA's may be supported via a seperate tray.. but I would hate to see it as a proprietary battery solution with the Lithium Ion cells are far superior. I wish the K-5's grip used the extra wasted space used by the AA tray for better things like maybe a FUNCTIONAL SD card slot instead of a lame SD card "holder" the AA battery option is one a lot of people like. Personally i've never used the AA tray for my grip since 2 batteries have never been inadequate even on days i'm shooting from noon to 3 am with some flash and movie use thrown in I mostly here it from [people traveling to spots where charging won't be convenient (or possible) but aa's are usually pretty common (reality for me is the cost of a pile of AA's to shot a lot just says to me buy a few cheap ebay dli90s and charge em all before leaving (really good lithium AAs cost a bomb, if i needed to take 24 on a trip i could buy 6 ebay batteries )

02-10-2012, 08:21 AM	#2001
abacus07 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Taiwan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,075	Originally posted by Chex AA batteries?? are you for real?? Buy the grip and use 6 AA"s and strap an extra lead weight to it while your at it.. a single DLi-90 battery on a K-5 is good for around 500-600 shots for me, I've barely ever used both batteries (Body and grip) in an outing (time laps included). AA's may be supported via a seperate tray.. but I would hate to see it as a proprietary battery solution with the Lithium Ion cells are far superior. I wish the K-5's grip used the extra wasted space used by the AA tray for better things like maybe a FUNCTIONAL SD card slot instead of a lame SD card "holder" Hiking for several months in Tibet/Nepal? Bicycling/camping across parts of Japan? Other crazy adventures? I would prefer a lot of one common battery with multiple uses than several proprietary batteries, several different chargers, a grip and AA's for other things on the trip. I would also like to not be hiking/sightseeing with a small prime and a grip. However I fully expect to buy a K-5 with grip since it's doubtful that I'll get everything I want in one camera.

02-10-2012, 09:45 AM	#2002
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by wjjstu My trusty Ds can easily go 1000 shots without flash on "lowly" AAs and it uses obsolete half decade old power hogging circuitry. with very good AA - Lithium Energeizer or Sanyo Eneloop. till 1000. with another batteries - not above 400-500. with AF. with manual lenses - more.

02-10-2012, 10:22 AM	#2004
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by ogl Not to make the smallest body, but smallest lenses... The lenses are not small - they just look small when mounted. Their bulk is hidden by the body bulk.

02-10-2012, 10:25 AM	#2005
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor The lenses are not small - they just look small when mounted. Their bulk is hidden by the body bulk. is it joke? by the way, DA40 XS is the smallest lens in the world.

02-10-2012, 10:36 AM	#2006
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by ogl Pentax K-01 review - YouTube PAY ATTENTION - HOW DEEP MOUNT HOLE.... I think the idea of K-01 is new line of super small lenses with K-mount. Not to make the smallest body, but smallest lenses... Nails my contention from Day 1 (overwhelmed by the shouting) that the size of the camera only matters when a lens is mounted. How will the K-01 conmpare to others in its IQ class when the both have equivalent IQ lenses mounted? Shirt pocket is fine for the camera body, but where do you carry the lens?

02-10-2012, 10:59 AM	#2007
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by ogl is it joke? by the way, DA40 XS is the smallest lens in the world. this month

02-10-2012, 11:00 AM	#2008
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by monochrome Nails my contention from Day 1 (overwhelmed by the shouting) that the size of the camera only matters when a lens is mounted. How will the K-01 conmpare to others in its IQ class when the both have equivalent IQ lenses mounted? Shirt pocket is fine for the camera body, but where do you carry the lens? inside cigarette pack in second pocket

02-10-2012, 01:15 PM	#2009
junyo Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 418	Originally posted by ogl Pentax K-01 review - YouTube PAY ATTENTION - HOW DEEP MOUNT HOLE.... I think the idea of K-01 is new line of super small lenses with K-mount. Not to make the smallest body, but smallest lenses... Wow, and all you have to do is buy all new lenses to take advantage of it... Thus negating mount compatibility. The idea only works if you're forced to re-buy focal lengths, in lens that are small system only, since the intrusion will make them a no go on anything with a mirror. So in exchange for avoiding an adapter (yay!), you've welded an extension tube on to the body (um, I guess yay?), which pretty much raises the cost of entry for anyone contemplating a switch from another brand (boo!). Awesome marketshare building. People can keep coming up with magical ways that this makes sense, but it really doesn't. A NEX7 with their 16mm pancake mounted is darn near the depth of a K-01 body; good luck making a lens so deep in makes the host body thinner. At any given focal length you've given up a couple cm before you've even started, and now you have to jump through hoops tucking parts of the lens inside the body just to hold ground, let alone trying to have a smaller overall package.