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01-22-2012, 04:19 PM   #586
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One thing that does worry me is that is suppose to run the K-5 electronics.

So it maybe will be a dead rabit in your hands after taking a few pictures, unresponsive as K-5 is in LiveView.

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sounds nice, I understand all the advantages, however I am not interested in any camera with electronic viewfinder, it kills the battery 5 times faster and generally not convenient for my way of shooting.

Also do not like the handling of smaller bodies k-r is small enough for me, even would prefer bigger body.

And the ballance of the camera with old heavy lenses and new tiny body will be not very good. It can be used as small backup body.

It has certain appeal to certain people :-)
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If it's small/light... hopefully a battery grip will help balance that out.

I've always loved the size and weight of my K20D + Grip.
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
The disadvantages with the SLT (apart from not having an OVF) is that it doesn't allow for lenses with protruding rear elements. And that the AF module and EVF compete for space making the SLTs as large as an SLR.
I don't expect Pentax will make any lenses with protruding rear elements - so that is a theoretical advantage that is unlikely to become a practical one. The lack of OVF is not relevant when comparing mirrorless cameras - we start from that premise. As for the size, most people felt that the K-5 was already too small - why would a smaller body matter when the lenses are the same large old ones? A small body won't be very usable with a 55-300 on it.

I am still hoping that this K-01 rumor is mostly incorrect. Even the model name is stupid.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor Quote
I don't expect Pentax will make any lenses with protruding rear elements
I am with you, initially...

But should the idea succeed on the market, then I assume specialized lenses for the system (like the DA lenses secialised for APSC) will not remain theoretical only.

Moreover, assuming prices drop enough, knowing there is a secondary AF body with EVF for video work reusing the trusted K mount lenses is nice.

Of course, this is not why Pentax would do a thing like the K01. It is to draw P&S upgraders asking for a mirrorless into the K mount universe. Let's hope its design is compelling enough to achieve this goal.
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So... no one other that ogl have seen the thing in CES? Did Pentax make you swear and sign something so you cannot tell people what you saw in CES??

Who else seen the thing in CES?
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
Of course, this is not why Pentax would do a thing like the K01. It is to draw P&S upgraders asking for a mirrorless into the K mount universe. Let's hope its design is compelling enough to achieve this goal.
I am wondering how much the kit will cost. The DA40 is not a cheap lens - $340. An entry level camera today should be within $500-$600. That leaves little budget for the body - $260 tops. Which means that either the kit will be expensive and not really that competitive (for entry level market) or that the lens will be of much cheaper build. A 40mm lens is also a very weird choice as a kit lens for an APS-C camera.

Let me put it this way: I've been recommending Pentax cameras among people that usually point to Canon or Nikon. And I had good arguments to bring for my recommendations. But now I am not sure why I should recommend Pentax to anyone wanting to get a higher end camera than a P&S - those prospective customers do not care about the history of the K-mount or about its legacy glass.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor Quote
But now I am not sure why I should recommend Pentax to anyone wanting to get a higher end camera than a P&S - those prospective customers do not care about the history of the K-mount or about its legacy glass.
Really? Even though I had no previous Pentax gear, the availability of old lenses was exactly why I chose Pentax. I'm in Brazil, so getting gear from one or other brand doesn't matter, it's equally hard or expensive. Since then, I got some gems in pristine condition at the flea market, like M 50mm f/1.4 and A 35-105mm f/3.5.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
You'll understand this one: When the US and Russia were in the space-race, the US government invested 16 million dollars in a ballpoint-pen that would write in zero gravity. They did it! They developed a pen that could write upside down. The Russian just used pencils. That's how I see the EVF. It's the 16 million dollar NASA pallpoint pen. It's ludicrously overcomplicated.
Yes...Good example.
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Then your assessment of the EVF is as dubious as the Soviet pencil myth
It could be myth, but he is talking about methods and points of view.
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maybe I missed something, but my interpretation of the blogpost linked to from the op is there is going to be three different kits. Not a three lens kit. No?
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QuoteOriginally posted by LFLee Quote
So... no one other that ogl have seen the thing in CES? Did Pentax make you swear and sign something so you cannot tell people what you saw in CES??

Who else seen the thing in CES?
Ogl didn't saw anything, he doesn't know anything! He wasn't even at CES, as far as I can tell...
All he did was to quote Mike, but in Russia the Quote tags are too expensive, so he skipped them
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
Dude, I own(ed) both a NEX5n and a K5. The NEX has a tragicly slow FPS compared to the K5. I don't care if the mirror does the hokypoky, it's faster. But what you're probably hearing, is the shutter, not the mirror. Try out the mirror-up shooting, you'll hear the exact same sound as when you're using liveview.

But that's not the only thing that's slower:
- The viewfinder of the NEX is slower.
- Buffer size is smaller.
- Manual focussing is slower. (K5's catch-in-focus 100% spot-on and faster then manual focus.)

There's one thing in which the NEX was quicker: It ate batteries like nothing else.
You need to also realize that you are really comparing a commercial end body to a high-end advanced amateur body and lots of what you see are the results of that. (ie. buffer size; FPS)

The K5 catch in focus is far from spot on esp. if you have lenses faster than f2.8.
Currently, resolution and refresh rates on EVF do leave some room for improvement, but the current batch from panasonic and Sony (ie. G3; A77; NEX5n /7 EVF) certainly do much better to be acceptable after some getting used to.

I've found MF on EVF to be much better provided they are the ones with higher screen refresh rates.
Coupled with the focusing aids like peaking, zoom in, window in window zoom box and larger viewfinder on such EVFs (ie. G3; A77), its a basically a easier method to do MF.

I do focus pretty fast with the OVF with the aid of a 1.25 eyepiece (even without my K3 screen) and for a long time dismissed the EVF as too slow in refresh rate to even react to my turning of the focus ring. But the new ones have really improved on it.

Anyway, I can see that you are pretty entrenched in your views. Which is fine, just don't rise your blood pressure with unhappiness over the introduction of a MILC. If it happens so be it. Use it or move on to something else.


I'm enthusiastic and happy that Pentax brought out something new. Something that addresses a segment of the market. Not perfect (what is?) but some folks will like it. I'm neutral and can see the good as well as the bad. Don't mind getting one if it helps me get the shot using MF lenses and helps a camera company that I like make some business (ie. Pentax)
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QuoteOriginally posted by hcarvalhoalves Quote
Really? Even though I had no previous Pentax gear, the availability of old lenses was exactly why I chose Pentax. I'm in Brazil, so getting gear from one or other brand doesn't matter, it's equally hard or expensive. Since then, I got some gems in pristine condition at the flea market, like M 50mm f/1.4 and A 35-105mm f/3.5.
You can use those manual focus lenses on Canon cameras too - you don't need a Pentax for that. So much for this argument.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor Quote
You can use those manual focus lenses on Canon cameras too - you don't need a Pentax for that. So much for this argument.
Canon is not an option, it has an 1,6x crop factor
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