New K-01 mirrorless camera coming

walternewton · 01-27-2012, 05:42 PM

Any chance something was lost in the translation along the way and 40mm is referring to the 35mm camera equivalent field of view (making it something like a 27/2.8)?

bobmaxja · 01-27-2012, 06:18 PM

I dont thing so

**monochrome** · 01-27-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Mister Horrible

The funny thing is that the news had been out for a while on some rumor sites. When I came here to see if there had been any chatter, I was shocked to be find there were no other threads about this rumor.

So I started one, fully expecting it to be merged with some other thread that I had overlooked. Ain't happened yet.

Well, I've been on the 'Net since about 1992, and I can finally say for the first (and probably last) time:

"FIRST!"

Hah Hah Hah Hah actually LOL

jogiba · 01-27-2012, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by rawr

I dont think so. Each type of display has it's pros and cons, as this excerpt from the manual from the new Fuji XPRO-1 makes clear:
Attachment 115671

You are comparing old outdated EVF to OVF, the one in my post is 10x better.

Quote:

French manufacturer MicroOLED has announced a 5 million dot OLED suitable for use as an electronic viewfinder - far beyond the resolution of the current best units used in recent Sony cameras. The 5.2M effective dots mean it can display 1280x1024 pixel resolution in color, assuming a four-dots-per-pixel layout. Imaging Resource has written an article in which they suggest it could spell the end of the optical viewfinder.

MicroOLED promises even greater electronic viewfinder resolution: Digital Photography Review

Anvh · 01-27-2012, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

You are comparing old outdated EVF to OVF, the one in my post is 10x better.

Yeah better but it will keep on lagging more then an OVF also Dynamic range is something they can't thouch yet.
Resolution seems to be there at the moment now though but it isn't everything, more needs to be done.

JinDesu · 01-27-2012, 08:11 PM

How well does EVF respond to change in light? My eyes are pretty quick when going from shadow to sunlight.

hcarvalhoalves · 01-27-2012, 08:24 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Anvh

Hopefully it use this EVF.
New EVF makes it clear: the optical viewfinder’s days are numbered - Imaging Resource

That's really cool.

The resolution issues were never really a big problem for EVFs (in the sense that, it's always improving). The biggest drawback related to OVF is the lack of dynamic range (constrast ratio) of LED screen, which hinders EVFs from being used with too little or too much light. That screen looks much better in this respect.

Pentax is in a great position to release a mirrorless camera because, as long as EVFs keep improving, they have experience on all the other things that make sense to put in a mirrorless:

- Tradition in releasing smaller bodies with great ergonomics
- High-quality primes and compact zooms
- In-body sensor image stabilization
- Rugged and weatherproof bodies (which can be made much more rugged by taking away the mirror)
- Legacy of great lenses (which are a perfect match for EVF, since they can be big, preview DOF correctly and even having electronic assitance for manual focus)

Not to mention that mirrorless is a new market, were a smaller player can play a much bigger role. I hope K-01 is a step in this direction.

djc737 · 01-27-2012, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by JinDesu

How well does EVF respond to change in light? My eyes are pretty quick when going from shadow to sunlight.

Another area which gets little attention is using a CPL with an EVF. It is nearly impossible to tell what is really going on as you turn the polarizer while viewing through a EVF or LCD.

Laurentiu Cristofor · 01-27-2012, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

You are comparing old outdated EVF to OVF, the one in my post is 10x better.

Not even that - the page that rawr quoted is about what to chose on the XPro1 - so those are camera specific instructions, not general observations.

Laurentiu Cristofor · 01-27-2012, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by djc737

Another area which gets little attention is using a CPL with an EVF. It is nearly impossible to tell what is really going on as you turn the polarizer while viewing through a EVF or LCD.

Which EVF is your experience based on?

rawr · 01-27-2012, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

The 5.2M effective dots mean it can display 1280x1024 pixel resolution in color

Meagre progress. I'd like to see that resolution double again, and the lag go away.

Laurentiu Cristofor · 01-27-2012, 10:26 PM

Is it just me or are the rumors about this camera getting worse and worse? First it's a K-mount mirrorless and people point to being able to use their K lenses with it and then it sounds like it's not even compatible with all K-mount lenses!

rawr · 01-28-2012, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

are the rumors about this camera getting worse and worse?

The bush telegraph effect. The more points through which a message/rumour gets repeated, the more distorted it becomes.

Gimbal · 01-28-2012, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

the smart think with the full size k is when some of them go to buy their next camera they will buy into a higher end possible an SLR because they now have the lenses.

Yes, they have the new special APS-C recessed lenses that will not work on anything else then APS-C sized mirror less bodies. Not such a clear path upwards. Unless all new bodies will be mirrorless... and the lenses are FF compatible.

Clavius · 01-28-2012, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Gimbal

Yes, they have the new special APS-C recessed lenses that will not work on anything else then APS-C sized mirror less bodies. Not such a clear path upwards. Unless all new bodies will be mirrorless... and the lenses are FF compatible.

Possibly there will be a adapter to use the new xs lenses on DSLR's. Or possibly, the new xs lenses will be flimsy that one wouldn't want to use it on a full featured camera.

01-27-2012, 08:48 PM	#1028
djc737 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South jersey outside of Philly Posts: 281	EVF problems Originally posted by JinDesu How well does EVF respond to change in light? My eyes are pretty quick when going from shadow to sunlight. Another area which gets little attention is using a CPL with an EVF. It is nearly impossible to tell what is really going on as you turn the polarizer while viewing through a EVF or LCD.

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01-27-2012, 05:42 PM	#1021
walternewton Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 34	Any chance something was lost in the translation along the way and 40mm is referring to the 35mm camera equivalent field of view (making it something like a 27/2.8)?

01-27-2012, 06:18 PM	#1022
bobmaxja Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,171	I dont thing so

01-27-2012, 07:22 PM	#1023
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Mister Horrible The funny thing is that the news had been out for a while on some rumor sites. When I came here to see if there had been any chatter, I was shocked to be find there were no other threads about this rumor. So I started one, fully expecting it to be merged with some other thread that I had overlooked. Ain't happened yet. Well, I've been on the 'Net since about 1992, and I can finally say for the first (and probably last) time: "FIRST!" Hah Hah Hah Hah actually LOL

01-27-2012, 08:06 PM	#1024
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by rawr I dont think so. Each type of display has it's pros and cons, as this excerpt from the manual from the new Fuji XPRO-1 makes clear: Attachment 115671 You are comparing old outdated EVF to OVF, the one in my post is 10x better. Quote: French manufacturer MicroOLED has announced a 5 million dot OLED suitable for use as an electronic viewfinder - far beyond the resolution of the current best units used in recent Sony cameras. The 5.2M effective dots mean it can display 1280x1024 pixel resolution in color, assuming a four-dots-per-pixel layout. Imaging Resource has written an article in which they suggest it could spell the end of the optical viewfinder. MicroOLED promises even greater electronic viewfinder resolution: Digital Photography Review

01-27-2012, 08:09 PM	#1025
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by jogiba You are comparing old outdated EVF to OVF, the one in my post is 10x better. Yeah better but it will keep on lagging more then an OVF also Dynamic range is something they can't thouch yet. Resolution seems to be there at the moment now though but it isn't everything, more needs to be done.

01-27-2012, 08:11 PM	#1026
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	How well does EVF respond to change in light? My eyes are pretty quick when going from shadow to sunlight.

01-27-2012, 08:24 PM - 1 Like	#1027
hcarvalhoalves Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: São Paulo, Brazil Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,019	Originally posted by Anvh Hopefully it use this EVF. New EVF makes it clear: the optical viewfinder’s days are numbered - Imaging Resource That's really cool. The resolution issues were never really a big problem for EVFs (in the sense that, it's always improving). The biggest drawback related to OVF is the lack of dynamic range (constrast ratio) of LED screen, which hinders EVFs from being used with too little or too much light. That screen looks much better in this respect. Pentax is in a great position to release a mirrorless camera because, as long as EVFs keep improving, they have experience on all the other things that make sense to put in a mirrorless: - Tradition in releasing smaller bodies with great ergonomics - High-quality primes and compact zooms - In-body sensor image stabilization - Rugged and weatherproof bodies (which can be made much more rugged by taking away the mirror) - Legacy of great lenses (which are a perfect match for EVF, since they can be big, preview DOF correctly and even having electronic assitance for manual focus) Not to mention that mirrorless is a new market, were a smaller player can play a much bigger role. I hope K-01 is a step in this direction.

01-27-2012, 09:58 PM	#1029
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by jogiba You are comparing old outdated EVF to OVF, the one in my post is 10x better. Not even that - the page that rawr quoted is about what to chose on the XPro1 - so those are camera specific instructions, not general observations.

01-27-2012, 09:59 PM	#1030
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by djc737 Another area which gets little attention is using a CPL with an EVF. It is nearly impossible to tell what is really going on as you turn the polarizer while viewing through a EVF or LCD. Which EVF is your experience based on?

01-27-2012, 09:59 PM	#1031
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by jogiba The 5.2M effective dots mean it can display 1280x1024 pixel resolution in color Meagre progress. I'd like to see that resolution double again, and the lag go away.

01-27-2012, 10:26 PM	#1032
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Is it just me or are the rumors about this camera getting worse and worse? First it's a K-mount mirrorless and people point to being able to use their K lenses with it and then it sounds like it's not even compatible with all K-mount lenses!

01-28-2012, 01:35 AM	#1033
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor are the rumors about this camera getting worse and worse? The bush telegraph effect. The more points through which a message/rumour gets repeated, the more distorted it becomes.

01-28-2012, 02:08 AM	#1034
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by eddie1960 the smart think with the full size k is when some of them go to buy their next camera they will buy into a higher end possible an SLR because they now have the lenses. Yes, they have the new special APS-C recessed lenses that will not work on anything else then APS-C sized mirror less bodies. Not such a clear path upwards. Unless all new bodies will be mirrorless... and the lenses are FF compatible.

01-28-2012, 02:17 AM	#1035
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Gimbal Yes, they have the new special APS-C recessed lenses that will not work on anything else then APS-C sized mirror less bodies. Not such a clear path upwards. Unless all new bodies will be mirrorless... and the lenses are FF compatible. Possibly there will be a adapter to use the new xs lenses on DSLR's. Or possibly, the new xs lenses will be flimsy that one wouldn't want to use it on a full featured camera.