Log on February 2nd at 13 CET Re: K-01

causey · 01-31-2012, 03:11 PM

Another source that says no viewfinder...

Mirrorless Rumors | Blog | More rumors about the Pentax K-mount mirrorless camera (a damn ugly camera!)

Nicer rumors here:
http://photorumors.com/2012/01/24/some-more-pentax-rumors-full-frame-dslr-mirrorless-camera/
(Well, I hope the FF MILC will have a viewfinder.)

Last edited by causey; 01-31-2012 at 03:18 PM.

bodhi · 01-31-2012, 03:24 PM

Camera without a viewfinder of any kind is unusable.

Edvinas · 01-31-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by sjwaldron

If it has proper video control, I do see some nice benefits even without a EVF or OVF. However assuming they did leave both out, they should price it properly.

Proper video controls have nothing to do with mirrorless/DSLR construction. K-mount mirrorless == Pentax DSLR in live view mode. If they implement video controls properly, those controls will make their way into DSLRs too.

gazonk · 01-31-2012, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by bodhi

Camera without a viewfinder of any kind is unusable.

I wouldn't say that! A quite heavy camera as this one can double as a fitness device when you have to hold it with stretched arms! "I started using the K-01 and now I don't need to lift weights anymore!"

sjwaldron · 01-31-2012, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Edvinas

Proper video controls have nothing to do with mirrorless/DSLR construction. K-mount mirrorless == Pentax DSLR in live view mode. If they implement video controls properly, those controls will make their way into DSLRs too.

Huh? I was referring to software meaning control of ISO and shutter speed in video mode.

bodhi · 01-31-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by gazonk

I wouldn't say that! A quite heavy camera as this one can double as a fitness device when you have to hold it with stretched arms! "I started using the K-01 and now I don't need to lift weights anymore!"

but will need to have a far more efficient SR to compensate for the movements of my arms

falconeye · 01-31-2012, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Adam

Even without a viewfinder, I think this camera will have a lot of merit. Think of it

I think and think and think and think and think and ...

All I come up with is a K-5 with OVF removed, and similiar price comparing K-5 street and K-01 launch.

If I don't miss something.

Originally posted by m8o

Everyone who loaded the page/thread at some time should have the image in their cache.

+1

And the image shows a K-5/K-r with prism removed (flattened to house a pop-up flash) and probably no space for an EVF because the slot is occupied by the pop-up flash. At least, there seems to be a red SR logo.

Originally posted by sjwaldron

If it has proper video control, I do see some nice benefits

Nobody wants to use a camera w/o EVF as a camcorder. To record the occasional video, ok, but not as a serious video camera. It would have been the EVF giving second life to K mount as a video system.

RonHendriks1966 · 01-31-2012, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Adam

It's a camera, and it's a Pentax

Is it also a phone? Can we cook diner with it? Can we hook it up to the cloud?

drougge · 01-31-2012, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by bodhi

Camera without a viewfinder of any kind is unusable.

And yet someone felt it was a good idea to make the Bessa-L.

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Is it also a phone? Can we cook diner with it? Can we hook it up to the cloud?

If it doesn't turn into a vacuum cleaner (without getting the sensor dirty!) I'm just not interested.

Adam · 01-31-2012, 04:41 PM

No other manufacturer has made a mirrorless that supports SLR lenses natively- so this is an industry first, if you look at it. Should be just as bit of a hit as the Fuji Xpro if you look at it...

joe.penn · 01-31-2012, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by causey

Another source that says no viewfinder...

Mirrorless Rumors | Blog | More rumors about the Pentax K-mount mirrorless camera (a damn ugly camera!)

Well, on the ugly camera thing, this could be the case since Marc Newson is/has designing/designed this thing - it seems that pentax may be looking to get girl brownie points for looks, guess we will see how it goes...

RonHendriks1966 · 01-31-2012, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Adam

No other manufacturer has made a mirrorless that supports SLR lenses natively- so this is an industry first, if you look at it.

This is an absolute 100 % plus for Pentax. Anyone with some lenses or still carrying a K10D or so could just jump into mirrorless!

causey · 01-31-2012, 04:52 PM

I can't imagine they expect dslr users to buy a MILC without viewfinder, even if the camera natively supports K lenses. Perhaps they think it would appeal to the large masses of point and shooters who have never looked through a viewfinder. I just hope this is not indicative of the direction Pentax is taking. This is by no means a K-r/K-x replacement. 20 grams heavier than K-x (if we are to believe the first rumors concerning K-01), but without a viewfinder...

falconeye · 01-31-2012, 04:53 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Adam

No other manufacturer has made a mirrorless that supports SLR lenses natively- so this is an industry first, if you look at it.

Adam, why are you insisting on this point?

It lacks basic logic.

I can take any dSLR with LV and break the mirror -- any time! The logo "mirrorless" by itself buys you nothing, it is a negative term specifying that something is absent.

Normally, mirrorless stands for at least one out of many positive attributes too, e.g., much more compact (or lightweight) body, ability to adapt more lenses, an EVF, a faster Contrast AF than possible with a dSLR, cheaper, ... you name it. Nothing of that would apply to the K-01, which is why the EVF was absolutely mandatory with this concept. And a recessed or retractable kit zoom too, if I think about it ...

There is one positive aspect for sure though: Pentax commits to go mirrorless while retaining the K mount. This is very good news indeed. The story line is bold. Maybe just not the first camera released though.

Adam · 01-31-2012, 05:03 PM

You will see on the 2nd why I said that

If you ask me, the K-01 is fair competition with the Fuji X-pro.

01-31-2012, 04:41 PM	#55
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01-31-2012, 04:52 PM	#58
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	I can't imagine they expect dslr users to buy a MILC without viewfinder, even if the camera natively supports K lenses. Perhaps they think it would appeal to the large masses of point and shooters who have never looked through a viewfinder. I just hope this is not indicative of the direction Pentax is taking. This is by no means a K-r/K-x replacement. 20 grams heavier than K-x (if we are to believe the first rumors concerning K-01), but without a viewfinder... Last edited by causey; 01-31-2012 at 04:58 PM.

01-31-2012, 04:53 PM - 1 Like	#59
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Adam No other manufacturer has made a mirrorless that supports SLR lenses natively- so this is an industry first, if you look at it. Adam, why are you insisting on this point? It lacks basic logic. I can take any dSLR with LV and break the mirror -- any time! The logo "mirrorless" by itself buys you nothing, it is a negative term specifying that something is absent. Normally, mirrorless stands for at least one out of many positive attributes too, e.g., much more compact (or lightweight) body, ability to adapt more lenses, an EVF, a faster Contrast AF than possible with a dSLR, cheaper, ... you name it. Nothing of that would apply to the K-01, which is why the EVF was absolutely mandatory with this concept. And a recessed or retractable kit zoom too, if I think about it ... There is one positive aspect for sure though: Pentax commits to go mirrorless while retaining the K mount. This is very good news indeed. The story line is bold. Maybe just not the first camera released though. Last edited by falconeye; 01-31-2012 at 05:16 PM.

01-31-2012, 05:03 PM	#60
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,595 Original Poster	You will see on the 2nd why I said that If you ask me, the K-01 is fair competition with the Fuji X-pro. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

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01-31-2012, 03:11 PM	#46
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	Another source that says no viewfinder... Mirrorless Rumors \| Blog \| More rumors about the Pentax K-mount mirrorless camera (a damn ugly camera!) Nicer rumors here: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/24/some-more-pentax-rumors-full-frame-dslr-mirrorless-camera/ (Well, I hope the FF MILC will have a viewfinder.) Last edited by causey; 01-31-2012 at 03:18 PM.

01-31-2012, 03:24 PM	#47
bodhi Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 61	Camera without a viewfinder of any kind is unusable.

01-31-2012, 03:24 PM	#48
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by sjwaldron If it has proper video control, I do see some nice benefits even without a EVF or OVF. However assuming they did leave both out, they should price it properly. Proper video controls have nothing to do with mirrorless/DSLR construction. K-mount mirrorless == Pentax DSLR in live view mode. If they implement video controls properly, those controls will make their way into DSLRs too.

01-31-2012, 03:49 PM	#49
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by bodhi Camera without a viewfinder of any kind is unusable. I wouldn't say that! A quite heavy camera as this one can double as a fitness device when you have to hold it with stretched arms! "I started using the K-01 and now I don't need to lift weights anymore!"

01-31-2012, 03:54 PM	#50
sjwaldron Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,235	Originally posted by Edvinas Proper video controls have nothing to do with mirrorless/DSLR construction. K-mount mirrorless == Pentax DSLR in live view mode. If they implement video controls properly, those controls will make their way into DSLRs too. Huh? I was referring to software meaning control of ISO and shutter speed in video mode.

01-31-2012, 04:06 PM	#51
bodhi Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 61	Originally posted by gazonk I wouldn't say that! A quite heavy camera as this one can double as a fitness device when you have to hold it with stretched arms! "I started using the K-01 and now I don't need to lift weights anymore!" but will need to have a far more efficient SR to compensate for the movements of my arms

01-31-2012, 04:18 PM	#52
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Adam Even without a viewfinder, I think this camera will have a lot of merit. Think of it I think and think and think and think and think and ... All I come up with is a K-5 with OVF removed, and similiar price comparing K-5 street and K-01 launch. If I don't miss something. Originally posted by m8o Everyone who loaded the page/thread at some time should have the image in their cache. +1 And the image shows a K-5/K-r with prism removed (flattened to house a pop-up flash) and probably no space for an EVF because the slot is occupied by the pop-up flash. At least, there seems to be a red SR logo. Originally posted by sjwaldron If it has proper video control, I do see some nice benefits Nobody wants to use a camera w/o EVF as a camcorder. To record the occasional video, ok, but not as a serious video camera. It would have been the EVF giving second life to K mount as a video system.

01-31-2012, 04:29 PM	#53
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Adam It's a camera, and it's a Pentax Is it also a phone? Can we cook diner with it? Can we hook it up to the cloud?

01-31-2012, 04:33 PM	#54
drougge Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malmö Photos: Gallery Posts: 787	Originally posted by bodhi Camera without a viewfinder of any kind is unusable. And yet someone felt it was a good idea to make the Bessa-L. Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Is it also a phone? Can we cook diner with it? Can we hook it up to the cloud? If it doesn't turn into a vacuum cleaner (without getting the sensor dirty!) I'm just not interested.

01-31-2012, 04:43 PM	#56
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by causey Another source that says no viewfinder... Mirrorless Rumors \| Blog \| More rumors about the Pentax K-mount mirrorless camera (a damn ugly camera!) Well, on the ugly camera thing, this could be the case since Marc Newson is/has designing/designed this thing - it seems that pentax may be looking to get girl brownie points for looks, guess we will see how it goes...

01-31-2012, 04:48 PM	#57
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Adam No other manufacturer has made a mirrorless that supports SLR lenses natively- so this is an industry first, if you look at it. This is an absolute 100 % plus for Pentax. Anyone with some lenses or still carrying a K10D or so could just jump into mirrorless!