Log on February 2nd at 13 CET Re: K-01

konraDarnok · 01-31-2012, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Adam

What's the deciding factor that makes a lot of people go for Pentax? That's all I'm saying until Thursday. And for the record, the news post is being written as I speak

At the time, for me, it was a lot of camera for the money. Nothing on the market presented the value of the K10D at the time -- and its backwards compatibility, all the way to m42, was also a selling point -- but you kinda forget that when LBA kicks in.

dgaies · 01-31-2012, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by causey

A K-mount, weather-sealed, viewfinder-less MILC. Bummer.

And SR I suppose.

falconeye · 01-31-2012, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by konraDarnok

I dunno, there's at least 3 "things" going on up top. A knob, something in the center, the flash bump, and then another protrusion on the right

Looking at it again, the knob contains the trigger and the something is the mode dial. However, did you notice the tiny black "shadow" behind the mode dial? Seems to be something on the rear side (if anything) ...

Moreover, there seems to be a protrusion in the lens opening which could be from an automatic lens cap.

pcarfan · 01-31-2012, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Adam

You will see on the 2nd why I said that

If you ask me, the K-01 is fair competition with the Fuji X-pro.

I cannot see how it can possibly be a fair competition with the fuji X-pro. Fuji X-pro has the EVF and yummy retro looks. So, the K-01 has to at least have the EVF to be anywhere near Fuji X-pro. If the rumours were indeed accurate and the K-01is priced at the K-r kit price, then it has the price advantage and being compatibkle with all K-mount lenses have a huge advantage, but even these two just cannot make up for the lack of an EVF.

Now, if the K-01 has an EVF, priced at K-r, compatible with all K-mount lenses and has good looks (retro or modern) it will be a home run. If it has the retro looks, then it just nialed the last nail on Fuji's coffin.

P.S: forgot the SR, still SR, low cost, backwards compatibility, can these really make up for no VF and a bulky body?

ewalk · 01-31-2012, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by Adam

What's the deciding factor that makes a lot of people go for Pentax? That's all I'm saying until Thursday. And for the record, the news post is being written as I speak

Good bang for your buck. In other words, you get a lot of camera for your money.

Anyone else hopeful about the price of this thing?

DaveBlack · 01-31-2012, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by pcarfan

I cannot see how it can possibly be a fair competition with the fuji X-pro. Fuji X-pro has the EVF and yummy retro looks. So, the K-01 has to at least have the EVF to be anywhere near Fuji X-pro. If the rumours were indeed accurate and the K-01is priced at the K-r kit price, then it has the price advantage and being compatibkle with all K-mount lenses have a huge advantage, but even these two just cannot make up for the lack of an EVF.

Now, if the K-01 has an EVF, priced at K-r, compatible with all K-mount lenses and has good looks (retro or modern) it will be a home run. If it has the retro looks, then it just nialed the last nail on Fuji's coffin.

A viewfinder is what makes the new Fuji so nice. I just don't see how a viewfinderless camera can compete with the Fuji.

dgaies · 01-31-2012, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by pcarfan

P.S: forgot the SR, still SR, low cost, backwards compatibility, can these really make up for no VF and a bulky body?

I think these things could make up for a bulky body, but not for the lack of a VF. At least for me anyway

ewalk · 01-31-2012, 06:16 PM

For everyone talking about the X Pro 1: it costs $1700!!

If this new Pentax is coming in around the K-r's kit price, it'll be nearly $1000 cheaper!

pcarfan · 01-31-2012, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

Looking at it again, the knob contains the trigger and the something is the mode dial. However, did you notice the tiny black "shadow" behind the mode dial? Seems to be something on the rear side (if anything) ...

Moreover, there seems to be a protrusion in the lens opening which could be from an automatic lens cap.

Dang! I wish I know what you guys are talking about...I missed it.

m8o · 01-31-2012, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Adam

What's the deciding factor that makes a lot of people go for Pentax? That's all I'm saying until Thursday. And for the record, the news post is being written as I speak

...won't it be something if there's a 1.7X AF -like adapter -- but with little to no magnification X -- that turns everyone's old manual focus lenses to AF.

...And then there's the in-body SR.

hinman · 01-31-2012, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by pcarfan

Dang! I wish I know what you guys are talking about...I missed it.

You don't miss much. Though few of us get a copy of the gif, it is just too small to tell anything substantial. We don't see any viewfinder. The two knobs on the right side of the camera is intriguing. The little protruded mount is still quite flushed with the pancake lens assuming it is the 40. The dual color toning really looks like the optio as in this picture on the Optio Z10

Cheers,

pcarfan · 01-31-2012, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by ewalk

For everyone talking about the X Pro 1: it costs $1700!!

If this new Pentax is coming in around the K-r's kit price, it'll be nearly $1000 cheaper!

True (Even the fixed lens, albeit much smaller X100 costs $1200), so if the pricing around $900 (the release price for the K-r kit) is true then I don't think it can possibly have the EVF. So, I guess Adam is saying the SR, backwards compatibility, lower cost kind of makes up for the lack of VF and increased depth. I for one wish they priced it a little less than $1k and included the VF.

Either way, eventually the later generations will have it all and would be amazing for Pentax.

pcarfan · 01-31-2012, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by hinman

You don't miss much. Though few of us get a copy of the gif, it is just too small to tell anything substantial. We don't see any viewfinder. The two knobs on the right side of the camera is intriguing. The little protruded mount is still quite flushed with the pancake lens assuming it is the 40. The dual color toning really looks like the optio as in this picture on the Optio Z10

Cheers,

Thanks!

pcarfan · 01-31-2012, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Adam

What's the deciding factor that makes a lot of people go for Pentax? That's all I'm saying until Thursday. And for the record, the news post is being written as I speak

Well! I don't know what this exactly is, but I know what it is not...it's not for the EVF, so that can't be it and I guess we have to give up on a VF.

So, guessing an answer to this question, it can only be SR, WR, backwards compatibility or price (at one time). So, I guess these will have to be it....

Freak · 01-31-2012, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Adam

You will see on the 2nd why I said that

If you ask me, the K-01 is fair competition with the Fuji X-pro.

I'm with Falk on this one, I will of course await the official release before judging, but the X1-Pro has new mount a hybrid viewfinder and 3 fast lenses announced to match, the Pentax seems to offer none of these things.

The only way this could be a marvel, is if it were to be a 645d mirrorless for half the price/size and still with a OVF. It's looking a lot like an APS-C Q, and I'm not sure anyone has asked for such a camera.

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01-31-2012, 05:59 PM	#76
konraDarnok Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Photos: Albums Posts: 969	Originally posted by Adam What's the deciding factor that makes a lot of people go for Pentax? That's all I'm saying until Thursday. And for the record, the news post is being written as I speak At the time, for me, it was a lot of camera for the money. Nothing on the market presented the value of the K10D at the time -- and its backwards compatibility, all the way to m42, was also a selling point -- but you kinda forget that when LBA kicks in.

01-31-2012, 06:00 PM	#77
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	Originally posted by causey A K-mount, weather-sealed, viewfinder-less MILC. Bummer. And SR I suppose.

01-31-2012, 06:06 PM	#78
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by konraDarnok I dunno, there's at least 3 "things" going on up top. A knob, something in the center, the flash bump, and then another protrusion on the right Looking at it again, the knob contains the trigger and the something is the mode dial. However, did you notice the tiny black "shadow" behind the mode dial? Seems to be something on the rear side (if anything) ... Moreover, there seems to be a protrusion in the lens opening which could be from an automatic lens cap.

01-31-2012, 06:09 PM	#79
pcarfan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, Ohio Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,978	Originally posted by Adam You will see on the 2nd why I said that If you ask me, the K-01 is fair competition with the Fuji X-pro. I cannot see how it can possibly be a fair competition with the fuji X-pro. Fuji X-pro has the EVF and yummy retro looks. So, the K-01 has to at least have the EVF to be anywhere near Fuji X-pro. If the rumours were indeed accurate and the K-01is priced at the K-r kit price, then it has the price advantage and being compatibkle with all K-mount lenses have a huge advantage, but even these two just cannot make up for the lack of an EVF. Now, if the K-01 has an EVF, priced at K-r, compatible with all K-mount lenses and has good looks (retro or modern) it will be a home run. If it has the retro looks, then it just nialed the last nail on Fuji's coffin. P.S: forgot the SR, still SR, low cost, backwards compatibility, can these really make up for no VF and a bulky body?

01-31-2012, 06:10 PM	#80
ewalk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 316	Originally posted by Adam What's the deciding factor that makes a lot of people go for Pentax? That's all I'm saying until Thursday. And for the record, the news post is being written as I speak Good bang for your buck. In other words, you get a lot of camera for your money. Anyone else hopeful about the price of this thing?

01-31-2012, 06:14 PM	#81
DaveBlack Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 441	Originally posted by pcarfan I cannot see how it can possibly be a fair competition with the fuji X-pro. Fuji X-pro has the EVF and yummy retro looks. So, the K-01 has to at least have the EVF to be anywhere near Fuji X-pro. If the rumours were indeed accurate and the K-01is priced at the K-r kit price, then it has the price advantage and being compatibkle with all K-mount lenses have a huge advantage, but even these two just cannot make up for the lack of an EVF. Now, if the K-01 has an EVF, priced at K-r, compatible with all K-mount lenses and has good looks (retro or modern) it will be a home run. If it has the retro looks, then it just nialed the last nail on Fuji's coffin. A viewfinder is what makes the new Fuji so nice. I just don't see how a viewfinderless camera can compete with the Fuji.

01-31-2012, 06:15 PM	#82
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	Originally posted by pcarfan P.S: forgot the SR, still SR, low cost, backwards compatibility, can these really make up for no VF and a bulky body? I think these things could make up for a bulky body, but not for the lack of a VF. At least for me anyway

01-31-2012, 06:16 PM	#83
ewalk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 316	For everyone talking about the X Pro 1: it costs $1700!! If this new Pentax is coming in around the K-r's kit price, it'll be nearly $1000 cheaper!

01-31-2012, 06:30 PM	#84
pcarfan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, Ohio Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,978	Originally posted by falconeye Looking at it again, the knob contains the trigger and the something is the mode dial. However, did you notice the tiny black "shadow" behind the mode dial? Seems to be something on the rear side (if anything) ... Moreover, there seems to be a protrusion in the lens opening which could be from an automatic lens cap. Dang! I wish I know what you guys are talking about...I missed it.

01-31-2012, 06:32 PM	#85
m8o Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 40°-55'-44" N / 73°-24'-07" W [on LI] Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,092	Originally posted by Adam What's the deciding factor that makes a lot of people go for Pentax? That's all I'm saying until Thursday. And for the record, the news post is being written as I speak ...won't it be something if there's a 1.7X AF -like adapter -- but with little to no magnification X -- that turns everyone's old manual focus lenses to AF. ...And then there's the in-body SR.

01-31-2012, 06:35 PM	#86
hinman Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Fremont, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,473	Originally posted by pcarfan Dang! I wish I know what you guys are talking about...I missed it. You don't miss much. Though few of us get a copy of the gif, it is just too small to tell anything substantial. We don't see any viewfinder. The two knobs on the right side of the camera is intriguing. The little protruded mount is still quite flushed with the pancake lens assuming it is the 40. The dual color toning really looks like the optio as in this picture on the Optio Z10 Cheers,

01-31-2012, 06:37 PM	#87
pcarfan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, Ohio Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,978	Originally posted by ewalk For everyone talking about the X Pro 1: it costs $1700!! If this new Pentax is coming in around the K-r's kit price, it'll be nearly $1000 cheaper! True (Even the fixed lens, albeit much smaller X100 costs $1200), so if the pricing around $900 (the release price for the K-r kit) is true then I don't think it can possibly have the EVF. So, I guess Adam is saying the SR, backwards compatibility, lower cost kind of makes up for the lack of VF and increased depth. I for one wish they priced it a little less than $1k and included the VF. Either way, eventually the later generations will have it all and would be amazing for Pentax.

01-31-2012, 06:40 PM	#88
pcarfan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, Ohio Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,978	Originally posted by hinman You don't miss much. Though few of us get a copy of the gif, it is just too small to tell anything substantial. We don't see any viewfinder. The two knobs on the right side of the camera is intriguing. The little protruded mount is still quite flushed with the pancake lens assuming it is the 40. The dual color toning really looks like the optio as in this picture on the Optio Z10 Cheers, Thanks!

01-31-2012, 06:51 PM	#89
pcarfan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, Ohio Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,978	Originally posted by Adam What's the deciding factor that makes a lot of people go for Pentax? That's all I'm saying until Thursday. And for the record, the news post is being written as I speak Well! I don't know what this exactly is, but I know what it is not...it's not for the EVF, so that can't be it and I guess we have to give up on a VF. So, guessing an answer to this question, it can only be SR, WR, backwards compatibility or price (at one time). So, I guess these will have to be it....

01-31-2012, 07:14 PM	#90
Freak Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 361	Originally posted by Adam You will see on the 2nd why I said that If you ask me, the K-01 is fair competition with the Fuji X-pro. I'm with Falk on this one, I will of course await the official release before judging, but the X1-Pro has new mount a hybrid viewfinder and 3 fast lenses announced to match, the Pentax seems to offer none of these things. The only way this could be a marvel, is if it were to be a 645d mirrorless for half the price/size and still with a OVF. It's looking a lot like an APS-C Q, and I'm not sure anyone has asked for such a camera.